2018-08-20 Team meeting logs

Paul Brown <[email protected]> Mon, 20 Aug 2018 19:29:31 +0200

Newsgroups	gmane.comp.kde.events
Organization	KDE e.V.
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Hello,

Attached to this email you'll find the logs for our second bi-weekly Promo 
Team meeting held on 20/08/2018 (August 20th, 2018, for USians).

Main points:

1.- Akademy post-mortem and next steps -- Brainstorm in a Phab task

2.- Social media access policy -- Discuss and agree on what  should go in 
there  in a Phab task

3.- Promo report for board -- Brainstorm topics in a Phab task

4.- KDE PIM and Krita - joint working on campaigns and boosting visibility -- 
Check out Phab task (https://phabricator.kde.org/T9243) for KDE PIM's new 
website (http://kontact.dvratil.cz/)

Cheers

Paul
-- 
Promotion & Communication

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20180820_kde-promo_Team_Meeting.log (text/x-log, 34.2 KB)

lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:31:52 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Good evening
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It looks like we have another full house and lots of new people
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:16 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<ilyaishere> Hello :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Which is incredible. Thanks for coming!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:23 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> Hi everyone!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:32:30 (CEST)] Join	JLP (~quassel@kde/developer/repinc) has joined this channel.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:33:30 (CEST)] <Bro666>	A lot of us met for the first time at the BoF at Akademy
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Seems like we should have more of those
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:12 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Yes it was my first BoF..
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:34:57 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Thanks for letting me in
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:00 (CEST)] <[ade]>	hey
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:04 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> 🙂
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:35:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Before we start... If it is your first time here, would you like to introduce yourselves? Maybe you start @bdhruve?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:36:41 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Sure. … I am Bhavisha Dhruve. I have been contributing in KDE for about 2 years, have participated in Gsoc 2016 and SoK 2018. Got an opportunity to be part of akademy and even be part of promo Bof
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:20 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<nggraham> You gave a talk at Akademy, right?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:31 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Yes i did
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	@popeydc?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:42 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<nggraham> it was nice 👍
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:37:56 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Thank you Nate and so was urs
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I concur. Very inspiring
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:10 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<nggraham> Thank you!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:19 (CEST)] <Bro666>	(both)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:38:52 (CEST)] <popey>	Hello! I am popey/popeydc. I work for Canonical and attended my first akademy last weekend. I do a lot of social media stuff and blogging for Ubuntu / snapcraft / canonical . Here to join the fun :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:39:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	@ade? You are Adriaan, right?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:41:51 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay, maybe move on or we'll be here all night: [ade] is Adriaan, Jonathan is also here, as is Jure, all KDE old-timers
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Bhushan is also here
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And it is his first promo meeting too
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:42:38 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<tomazcanabrava> Yes, he is
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:01 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> I did follow last meeting...
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:06 (CEST)] <[ade]>	i am adriaan. and i thumb-wrestled with popey, I think, in the queue for food at the social event.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:14 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> but yes, participating first time :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:43:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok! 
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:44:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I sent an agenda yestarday... A lot admin-like stuff
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:44:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Kind boring, but this it probably the best place to get though those tasks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Shall we work ourselves through it?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:27 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> Sure
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:45 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Point number 1 is Akademy Post-mortem
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:47 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Cool
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:45:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have done several of these for events
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:00 (CEST)] <popey>	[ade]: ill give you a rematch the next time we meet!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:46:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	And we tend to focus on the Promo side of things: what we can do better, what went well, what we can should remember for the next time around, and so on
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:47:40 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We usually make it task on Phabricator, it's not there yet, but when it is up we would like to call on everybody to brainstorm stuff
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:48:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Then we work it into a document or existing documents on the wiki so we can refer to it for future events
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:50:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Right now there is not much to do, but you can take notes of what you would like to see us change for next time around...
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I mean while things are still fresh
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:51:24 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Ok
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:12 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> Here are some examples of previous post-mortems so you can get the idea of what kind of feedback we're looking for: … https://phabricator.kde.org/T7315 … https://phabricator.kde.org/T8042
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:27 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> @Bro6666 any feedback you have received from community so far?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:52:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We were slow to upload the summary of day 1 to the dot
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:12 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> and we failed to mention several talks in those summaries
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:53:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We were spread a bit thin
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:25 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So we missed some and because we were tryiong to tweet all talks, we started late on the summary, which didn't come out until the next day
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:54:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	The solution seems pretty obvious to me: more people relaying feedback from the talks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:55:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That is the one that sticks out to me
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:55:46 (CEST)] <[ade]>	aye. tweeting in particular? is that a thing that would need more people "on deck"?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:56:16 (CEST)] <Bro666>	On everything on genral: twitter, mastodon, Facebook and G+
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:56:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Or at least relaying back to a "hub",
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:56:38 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Which was Ivana
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:56:47 (CEST)] <popey>	Tweets of events starting or tweets of event outcomes?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Tweets of ongoing talks, in this case
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:01 (CEST)] <[ade]>	so we would need enough people with access -- or someone acting as hub and specifically not attending to anything else -- to get stuff done.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:27 (CEST)] <Bro666>	People seemed to like getting a tweet with a one sentence summary and a pic as things were happening
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:36 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> the way we did it this time was: Paul and Devaja were sending me photos of the speakers, and I was preparing text and posting
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:38 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Or at least that was the feedback I got
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:46 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ivana was "The Hub"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:57:57 (CEST)] <popey>	Yes. Content is nice to see. Announcements of what's starting less so
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:58:26 (CEST)] <popey>	(for people who aren't there)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:59:38 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Streaming would be nice to have also... But I realise it is hard
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [17:59:54 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Well it is like someone representing kde promo team and respond behalf on them
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:18 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:00:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We ould've needed a fourth person drafting the article as things happened, like that we could've posted soon after the day finished
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:19 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Okay
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:01:21 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Maybe sitting with the hub
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:02:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Anyway, anything you can think of that Promo could've done better or even stuff we did right and we should do again
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:02:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Let's put it in the comments of the task, okay?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:02:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Shall we move on?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:02:44 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Ok
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:03:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have had an ongoing discussion on who should have access to KDE's social media
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	There are policies for accessing git repositories, and other KDE resources
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	But none for social media
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Which makes who has access a bit arbitrary at the moment
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:04:55 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	Hey guys, I'm also joining the discussion for a bit :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hello!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:04 (CEST)] <popey>	We (Ubuntu) have about 4 people who have access to the account. 
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:23 (CEST)] <popey>	If others want something tweeted or RT they contact one of us
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:40 (CEST)] <[ade]>	.. policies for getting a contributor account, and then "upgrading" to accessing web sites git, etc. Similarly, there's a sysadmin team where you can contribute, and then there's a policy of how to actually "join" sysadmin and gain direct access -- this helps with, e.g. the bus factor.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:49 (CEST)] <popey>	However we also have a shared doc which anyone can edit. They can prepare posts that others can review and post
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:05:59 (CEST)] <[ade]>	popey: how are those 4 people selected, and how do you handle changes in personnel?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:06:14 (CEST)] <popey>	That way you keep the account secure and gatekeeper on content
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:06:31 (CEST)] <[ade]>	e.g. you suffer a thumb-wrestling related injury and are unable to press the toot button for the coming month.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:06:39 (CEST)] <popey>	They are employees. If they leave, we change the password etc
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:06:50 (CEST)] <popey>	No community members have direct access
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:07:08 (CEST)] <popey>	We also heavily use scheduling tools
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:07:26 (CEST)] <popey>	So we don't have to be at the keyboard at 3am to tweet at that time :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:08:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah... scheduling tools would be good. On the topic of access, community should probably have the last say
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:08:22 (CEST)] <[ade]>	KDE is different from Ubuntu that way.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:08:22 (CEST)] <popey>	We review the "social post queue" (doc) periodically and post content from it
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:08:39 (CEST)] <popey>	Yes. It's not easy to manage with a wider community
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:09:03 (CEST)] <popey>	But if you don't control it, you can get mixed messages and style
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:09:14 (CEST)] <popey>	Which may make followers confused or leave
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:09:56 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> speaking of "access / bus factor" .... one thing I had suggested at one point was to have sysadmins access to Social media account secrets.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:10:04 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes, we need strict policies. Policies work well for other sensitive resources in KDE, so we should probably use one in existence and adapt it to social media
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:10:52 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> we've been using this channel as a "review ground" for tweets. personally, I have something similar to what popey mentions - a document with stuff I would like to post. I usually pick some ideas from it and bring them here for review
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes, except for in Akademy when we had to post very quickly
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	USualy stuff gets reviewd in minutes here
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:11:44 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> yup
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:11 (CEST)] <[ade]>	.. and there's a distinction between "what to post" (content of course needs review, whoever writes it) and "who can post"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:31 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> as for policies, during the promo sprint we came up with a set of guidelines for content on social media - https://community.kde.org/Promo/Guidance/DosDonts#Social_Media
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:39 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> but yeah, we don't have a defined access policy
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:12:53 (CEST)] 	 * [ade] checks those contents policies
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So...
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:12 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	We should probably point newcomers to the guidelines when they join here
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:13:25 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	I only realized they existed after somebody told me about them
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:13 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That is a good point. Maybe include them in the title bar in the IRC and Telegram group
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:14:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Or something
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:15:19 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I think having an access policy would bring us into sync with other working groups
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:15:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It would also help make us more transparent to the rest of the community
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:15:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	The rules will be explicit and clear
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:16:13 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> as with any restricted account in KDE (git, sysadmin, www, release-team) I think any active contributor should be able to get access.  so it should be open to anyone who a) wants it b) has a track record of a few months c) can follow the rules d) can do quality stuff e) can work as a team.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:16:50 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> who decides who can decide should probably be a team effort just the same
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:17:20 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> it should probably apply to Dot as well as more modern fancy things
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:07 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Define a few months
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:24 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> well all those points could do with better definitions
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This stuff goes out to literally thousands of people as well as all our sponsors
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:18:43 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This ultra-sensitive stuff
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:14 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> sure, just like sysadmin, www, release-team (and really git too)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:39 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> and f) if you screw up you get revoked and need to show you can not screw up again
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:19:50 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> and g) if you haven't been active for a few months then you get revoked
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Hmmm, I'm no expert in disaster recovery, but recovering reputation is very hard. We cannot risk someone posting something way out of line
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:20:59 (CEST)] <Bro666>	For f) I would say one strike and you're out
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:02 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> how would we define "track record"? what would/should count as "enough contributions" that one should make to earn this?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:24 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah, as Jonathan says, we need definitions for all these things
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:41 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> these are details to be defined, I just propose these principles as a starting point
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:21:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Very precise and unambiguous definitions
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok ok. This is going to be an interesting task, no doubt
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:18 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> of course. do you guys think it makes sense to still limit the number of people who can have access?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	To a concrete number?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:37 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:22:45 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> and probably 0) is familiar with the broad activities across KDE and can communicate with KDE's many project teams
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:19 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> I'm just worried that having 20 or more people with access to all accounts could get a bit unwieldy
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:22 (CEST)] <[ade]>	this is all difficult to quantify, which means that part of the policy should have a "current -promo decides in some way"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:32 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> I think limiting the number of people would be unecessary arbirary limitation
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:23:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Maybe... To be defined, I guess
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:24:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Well there are other arbitrary numbers in the organisation, like the members of the Board
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:24:29 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> just from the security standpoint, I guess, more people with passwords and access rights = higher risk
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:24:44 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> I don't mean to say anyone would leak passwords on purpose
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Shall we agree to work on this? I doubt we will resolve the details this evening
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:19 (CEST)] <[ade]>	yeah
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:31 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> start a shared document and a place to discuss it
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:36 (CEST)] <[ade]>	let's work towards defining this more clearly
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:25:59 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> +1
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:06 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> sensible services will have ways to just not use passwords, using tweetdeck for example
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:18 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes, good point
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Facebook  also has roles
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:35 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Admin, editor, etc.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Mastodon doesn't have anything like that yet, though
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:26:50 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> KDE did also have a hootsuite account and I've used sodash before which allows for some coordination but they tend to have limitations like not working with g+
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:27:10 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We have a hootsuite account??!?!?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:27:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Whyd didn't anybody say before?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:27:28 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> did at one point I'm sure
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:27:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok ok. To be investigated
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:12 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> if it's not a paid plan, it's probably not gonna be very useful, sadly
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:26 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> that might well be why it stopped being used
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So we will start the task of building a sane and fair policy for access to social media, yes?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:44 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> +1
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:28:52 (CEST)] <popey>	+1
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:47 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We can fold into that "using tools that facilitate posting, scheduling, assigning privileges, and so on"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:29:54 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Long overdue all of that
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:14 (CEST)] <d_ed>	Bro666: I see you're busy with another chat, but you pinged me about some golem article.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	d_ed: I did. Talk to you in a, say about 20 minutes?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:49 (CEST)] <d_ed>	sure, will be here
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:30:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Thanks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Next topic: The Board has asked for a report
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Nothing too long, no need for tables, or charts or anything
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Erm... let me find the email
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:31:50 (CEST)] <Bro666>	One sec
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:26 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<Bro6666> As part of our ongoing goal to provide more information back to the community about the work that the team does, we would like to put together a report that covers the last year and the accomplishments within the Promo team. The focus is to showcase the team's achievements and results of some of the things that the community cares about. … This year has been a successful year for the Promo team in terms of exposure and
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:27 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	communication. This has led us to have a year full of events and successes. We would like to highlight these for the rest of the community. … Please note that this is “not” a report about your daily work, hours worked or routine. The format is just text. I feel this could be put together in 2 weeks, just to allow time for you to go back and review. if you need more time, let me know. … We truly appreciate your work and all you do for
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:32:28 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	community.  … If you have any questions, please reach out to Aleix or me for more details.
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:33:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So events, successes, I guess we should fit a wishlist in there too ;-P
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:35:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	As usual, I'm going to suggest we start a task, barinstorm on the task and then we can put everything together into a coherent text
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:00 (CEST)] <Bro666>	It would be good to here from people who have worked on promo for KDE outside of Promo, the official work group
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:41 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So if you carried out promo work locally, for example, it would be good to have that in the report too
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:36:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Right?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:06 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> I keep repeating the same stuff when asked about achievements so I'll probably add that to the task :) but I'm sure there's something I'm forgetting so I hope others can fill in the blanks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:14 (CEST)] <[ade]>	yeah. like "talked with sponsors X, Y, .." type stuff? 
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:21 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:24 (CEST)] 	 * [ade] needs to go cook dinner
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:34 (CEST)] <[ade]>	.. also an achievement, but not for -promo
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:37:45 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Bon appetit
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:18 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> I think holding local workshops, install-fests or giving presentations about KDE (the community and the software) in schools and local communities would also count, no?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:19 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes, also if you went and gavce a presentation to a local computer club or something
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:38:39 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> ah :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Or wrote an article...
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Al that is trying to draw attention to KDE, so it is promo
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:39:57 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> positive attention, mind you! :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yeah
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:18 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> if you go on reddit and write "kde sucks"...that doesn't count
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:26 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> @skadinna, Well for this in kde-India bof we have decided to do decentralised workshop firsr which would give an idea about students and other people feedback. I can do is collect everyone's feedback and email you up. So theat then you can edit it and make it perfect
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	A summary would be fine, with the salient point
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:40:57 (CEST)] <Bro666>	points
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:20 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We need to boil it down to, say 2000 words maximum, anyway
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:31 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Okay
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:32 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Anything longer is indigestible
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	undigestible
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:41:56 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Yeah fine i would do that
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:03 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Thanks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:42:52 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Before we finish, I would like to bring up the other two points, just so we keep them in mind
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	KDE PIM needs our help. For those in doubt, yes, the project is very much alive (I can vouvh for that as a user), no, akonadi does not suck any more
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:10 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Quite the contrary
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:44:34 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bhushanshah> (although just to clarify, the events @bdhruve talked about are planned in future, so probably won't be useful in current report?)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We can talk about the future in a "Moving forward" section of the report
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That would be fine
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:45:39 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<bdhruve> Okay cool
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:01 (CEST)] <Bro666>	So, KDE PIM, we need to help them make an attractive website, that will attract individual and business users
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:03 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	i assume KDE PIM needs our help to get some good publicity to improve their image?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:14 (CEST)] <Bro666>	That is correct, yes
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Which is the second part:
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	part 1: site
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:43 (CEST)] <Bro666>	part 2: campaign to improve visibility and reputation
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:51 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	The current prototype is here: http://kontact.dvratil.cz/
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:46:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	or "campaigns"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:47:34 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> we have a ticket for helping them with the website: https://phabricator.kde.org/T9243
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:47:47 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	One thing that we should consider is adding high quality reviews on sites like alternative.to
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:01 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> website looks promising
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	If you think of KDE PIM as the groupware suite that works with everything (kolab, exchange, facebook, gmail, etc., etc.)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:18 (CEST)] <Bro666>	This should not be that hard
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:36 (CEST)] <Bro666>	The reputation problem was mostly within the community
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:42 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> my first thought about PIM is the names are god aweful, it could really do with a Calligra style rename.  Kontact is fine but PIM and Akregator et al are just ug
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:48:58 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Agreed
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:05 (CEST)] <Bro666>	They should definitely drop PIM
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:10 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<vr00mm> KDE pim lives in a lala land where everyone is expected to use owncloud. Instead, it needs to better integrate with the most popular cloud providers- microsoft and google. It shouldn't be hard, considering there are open APIs to achieve that but I haven't seen any effort to do that. KDE can add a google account (but not MS) however, PIM doesn't even use that account !
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	and ALWAYS say Kontact
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:27 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> full rename may be a hard sell to the devs, at least dropping PIM would be good
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:30 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	Maybe do some benchmarks about akonadi now vs a year back to show that they have really improved
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:48 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	I heard that there were quite a few peformance problems that were resolved
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:49:54 (CEST)] <xyquadrat[m]>	gtg now, bye & happy discussing
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:50:04 (CEST)] <Bro666>	one sec!
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:50:08 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<vr00mm> Main problem with akonadi is that it exists !
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:50:23 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok... doesn't matter
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:50:33 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Don't be nasty
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:51:11 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> I'm not sure highlighting Akonadi is a good thing indeed, it's perfectly fine technology these days but the reputation is bad and there's no reason any user should care about it
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:51:28 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Absolutely
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:51:30 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> I'd think best off removing it from the website
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:51:44 (CEST)] <Bro666>	End users care nothing about back ends
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:52:02 (CEST)] <Bro666>	If you mention it, it is just noise
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:52:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Noise  is bad
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:52:56 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Ok, final thing I want to mention is that Krita also want to work with us
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:53:08 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> Plasma has got good mindshare with the idea that Plasma is now lightweight as well as full featured which is quite a revolution.  I guess Kontact needs a way to sell itself that also appeals.  Something like how it can store two million e-mails and 10 years worth of calendar appointments easily (assuming it can)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:53:40 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> does Krita need much more marketing? everyone loves it :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:53:55 (CEST)] <Bro666>	They asked for it, the get it
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:54:08 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Plus we want to promote a KDE brand
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:54:10 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> now there's service :)
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:54:16 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> certainly do
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:54:34 (CEST)] <Bro666>	so every application can take advanatage of other applications fame
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:55:29 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Krita do good marketing, but they are spread thin
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:55:49 (CEST)] <Bro666>	With more resources they can do better and also help us
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:56:11 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Like marketing droids liek to say "win-win"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:57:10 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Okay, people, we have been at it for an hour and a half. There was one more topic, but we can talk about it as we go along
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:57:26 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Stop for now?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:57:26 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> also Boud did blog that they don't all feel part of the KDE community much so good to get them in
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:57:47 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes! Good point. I sat down with Boud and talked about that
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:01 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> did you make a plan for how to make the accounts access policy? a notes.kde.org page? a mailing list?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:17 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We usually send them to the mailing list
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:31 (CEST)] <Bro666>	"Usually" as in "we did that once, because this is the second meeting"
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:42 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Oh sorry
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:48 (CEST)] <Bro666>	I was talking about the logs
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:58:50 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> phab task for discussion + notes for drafting the policy?
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:59:05 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<jriddell> ack
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:59:06 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Yes, phab is the usual thing we do
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:59:17 (CEST)] <IrcsomeBot1>	<skadinna> and we can send an email to let everyone know this is being worked on
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [18:59:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Phab
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [19:00:22 (CEST)] <Bro666>	We will be posting the logs of this conversation to the mailing list, so everybody can know what's on the table
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [19:00:39 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Next step is setting up tasks
[lunes, 20 de agosto de 2018] [19:01:12 (CEST)] <Bro666>	Shall we call it a day?

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