Re: ILE C++ standards

Java is a disaster on the AS400. And Charles I apology for the response you
got from Kelly Beard. Was inappropriate in my opinion. Have had much help
from the nicer folks on this site. They overall are a great bunch of
programmers with the common goal to help each other. And promote the best
computer system ever built. Personally I could sell the IBM i, AS400, or
whatever the folks who never wrote a line of code in their life that are
running IBM if given the chance.

In 2006 at the Northeast Users conference in Framingham, MA I told the head
of IBM Rochester, MN - in front of the entire dinner they had on Thursday
night - that if God had used the same marketing plan for SEX that IBM was
using for the AS400 we might have three people in the room instead of over
one hundred. Everyone stood and clapped.

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 2:50 PM Charles Wilt <[email protected]> wrote:

> We've had bad experiences with Java...
> 30+ MB of memory usage for the JVM doesn't sound so bad until you multiply
> it by 10,000 interactive users ;)
> (and yes we are familiar with the idea of using Java in a batch program
> processing requests off a queue)
>
> Couldn't find any existing C code.
>
> Actually the changes required for the C++ code don't look that bad.
>
> Charles
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 12:55 PM Jon Paris <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > Have you looked for similar tools in Java or C? Both of those can be
> > invoked directly.
> >
> > I'm assuming that modifying the C++ to avoid the syntax issues is too big
> > a task?
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 10, 2020, at 12:21 PM, Charles Wilt <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > "You're surprised by this?"
> > >
> > > A little yeah, I expected it to be behind...but 9+ years? :o
> > >
> > > No, we don't do much C++, none in fact.  But I'd really like to have
> URI
> > > Templating functionality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/URL_Template in
> > RPG
> > > and since there were some existing C++, I thought it'd be worthwhile to
> > see
> > > if we could port one over.
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 7:35 AM Kelly Beard <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> You're surprised by this?  :-)  Not to sound rude or condescending,
> but
> > >> you, like most everyone else in the universe, probably don't do a lot
> of
> > >> C++ work on the 400.  Unfortunately, we do.  We're on V7R3 here.  IBM
> is
> > >> not even on C++11, technically, but on C++0x, and you have to, for
> > >> some reason, enable a command option to get that going.  Only God in
> > Heaven
> > >> knows why they cannot stay current.  I suspect that maybe the OS is
> > written
> > >> with whatever C++ was in force at the time and so that is what we're
> > stuck
> > >> with, but that's only my uneducated guess.
> > >>
> > >> How many lines is this utility?  Probably originally written on a
> Linux
> > >> system with g++?
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 5:06 PM Charles Wilt <[email protected]>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> So we're trying to port a small C++ utility to ILE...
> > >>>
> > >>> One of the compile errors is on the following...
> > >>> for(auto& ele : inVars)
> > >>>
> > >>> Apparently this the "for each" loop which was added to C++ in
> > 2011...(aka
> > >>> C++11)
> > >>>
> > >>> We're on v7.2, but even the v7.4 manual doesn't show it as valid.
> > >>>
> > >>> Looks like C++ on the IBM i include part of the C+11 standards, but
> not
> > >> yet
> > >>> all.  And of course C++14 and C++17 are nowhere to be found.
> > >>>
> > >>> Bit surprised the i is so far behind the times, but I suppose most
> > don't
> > >>> use ILE C/C++...
> > >>>
> > >>> Charles
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