Re: Re: Gobo with EiffelStudio 5.4

Peter Gummer:

> If so, someone ought to write a simple, one page (or less) description 
> of this and display it prominently on the Gobo web site.

Gobo's documentation is not all it could be (although when it's 
there it is quite good I think) and it's a known problem. This 
is not a fault with the tools per se.

> everything it does can be done either by a proper development 
> environment or by shell scripts / batch files. And it's close 
> to 10 years since I've had to write a makefile.

You're confusing functionality and interface! However you do 
it, you have to tell a tool what components make up a project 
and how they fit together. That you click around a GUI tool 
or type a configuration file is irrelevant, and anybody should 
be able to do it either way.

> People use integrated development  environments
> (well, everyone I know does).

> I've heard of Java programmers who work like this

So you've only heard of them but don't know them :-).

> Anyway, that's my newbie impression of geant. I can certainly see that 
> gexace is useful. It just needs a decent GUI front end, to help 
> visualise what the heck the it's doing.

geant -verbose goes some way towards showing what geant does,
I'm not sure if there is enough for gexace but again it's a
functionality issue, not a presentation issue. You want 
feedback, it's not the format that is important.

> Ideally I guess it would be integrated into EiffelStudio.

How it works when you want to use other Eiffel compilers than 
EiffelStudio's? Integrate them in EiffelStudio too? Also 
it would certainly help if EiffelStudio included the 
C compiler, so that we don't have to bother with 
supporting various C compiler backends. It's just a bit 
impractical.



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