Re: 2nd gen Io

Scott Solmonson <[email protected]> Thu, 6 Mar 2014 23:51:33 -0800
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Why stop there?

Why not sign every object from a root instance seed from the initial Lobby?
Startup time would be increased hilariously, but in the "reusable object"
paradigm once they're up, they're up. And a chain of authorization can then
exist that effortlessly overflows across cores, systems, and distance
automagically.

-SS

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On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Steve Dekorte <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> I=E2=80=99d like to make the things that tend to be re-implemented in typ=
ical
> projects part of the language - security, persistence, concurrency,
> distribution and user interaction. All of these could be seen as mapping
> problems and their solution as adding explicit mapping boundaries.
>
> The first idea (which was probably already done in Smalltalk in 1980s) is
> to add a pointer to each object in the system to it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cow=
ner=E2=80=9D and have
> object ownership domains where the domain leader is an actor/process whos=
e
> execution thread is used for processing all messages sent to objects with=
in
> it=E2=80=99s domain. Any object can become a domain of the objects below =
it in the
> ownership graph. Domain boundaries are used to solve the problems of
> security (tracking and verifying authority to invoke behaviors),
> concurrency (avoid unexpected state changes, closely associate execution
> with the state it will be working on), distribution and persistence
> (boundaries determine the state which needs to be persisted or moved).
>
> Part of the persistence component is to support the indexing and lazy
> loading of individual objects and standard representations that can be
> externally manipulated and returned and merged with an optimistic locking
> mechanism.
>
> The user interaction part involves extending slots to have metadata and a
> standard set of properties which are used for the interface mapping.
>
> This would be a big project but hopefully there will be time in the futur=
e
> to take a stab at it.
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding,
> Steve
>
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Come on Steve, there are Io fans who wanna hear about it! Let us chat.
> >
> > Selon Steve Dekorte <[email protected]>:
> >>
> >> On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> When there's no matching slot, the "forward" slot is activated.
> >>>
> >>> I have this idea about a "before" slot:
> >>>
> >>> If "before" doesn't exist, everything works as usual.
> >>>
> >>> If "before" exists, it is always activated (and it receives the
> message)
> >> before
> >>> the slot lookup. Then, it produces a message (possibly the same) whic=
h
> will
> >> be
> >>> treated as usual.
> >>>
> >>> This could be used to test whether the sender as the "right" to acces=
s
> a
> >>> particular slot, for example.
> >>
> >> Hi Julien,
> >>
> >> I like the idea. On my list for a 2nd gen Io is some form of support f=
or
> >> rights on all objects.
> >>
> >>> Is there already a way to do this at user level?
> >>
> >> You can get the same effect using a proxy to forward message to the re=
al
> >> object.
> >> Io uses proxies for futures and supports turning all references of one
> object
> >> to another.
> >>
> >>> Also, would anybody have a little constructive criticism about Io?
> >>
> >> Always welcome! :)
> >>
> >> Steve
>
>
>
>
>
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      <p><div dir=3D"ltr">Why stop there?<div><br></div><div>Why not sign e=
very object from a root instance seed from the initial Lobby? Startup time =
would be increased hilariously, but in the &quot;reusable object&quot; para=
digm once they&#39;re up, they&#39;re up. And a chain of authorization can =
then exist that effortlessly overflows across cores, systems, and distance =
automagically.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-SS</div>
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Steve De=
korte <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"=
_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gma=
il_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;">
<br>
I=E2=80=99d like to make the things that tend to be re-implemented in typic=
al projects part of the language - security, persistence, concurrency, dist=
ribution and user interaction. All of these could be seen as mapping proble=
ms and their solution as adding explicit mapping boundaries.<br>

<br>
The first idea (which was probably already done in Smalltalk in 1980s) is t=
o add a pointer to each object in the system to it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cowner=
=E2=80=9D and have object ownership domains where the domain leader is an a=
ctor/process whose execution thread is used for processing all messages sen=
t to objects within it=E2=80=99s domain. Any object can become a domain of =
the objects below it in the ownership graph. Domain boundaries are used to =
solve the problems of security (tracking and verifying authority to invoke =
behaviors), concurrency (avoid unexpected state changes, closely associate =
execution with the state it will be working on), distribution and persisten=
ce (boundaries determine the state which needs to be persisted or moved).<b=
r>

<br>
Part of the persistence component is to support the indexing and lazy loadi=
ng of individual objects and standard representations that can be externall=
y manipulated and returned and merged with an optimistic locking mechanism.=
<br>

<br>
The user interaction part involves extending slots to have metadata and a s=
tandard set of properties which are used for the interface mapping.<br>
<br>
This would be a big project but hopefully there will be time in the future =
to take a stab at it.<br>
<br>
Sorry for the delay in responding,<br>
Steve<br>
<br>
On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:06 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">omenv=
[email protected]</a> wrote:<br>
&gt; Come on Steve, there are Io fans who wanna hear about it! Let us chat.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Selon Steve Dekorte &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">steve@dek=
orte.com</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:28 AM, <a href=3D"mailto:omenvironment@free.=
fr">[email protected]</a> wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; When there&#39;s no matching slot, the &quot;forward&quot; slo=
t is activated.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; I have this idea about a &quot;before&quot; slot:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; If &quot;before&quot; doesn&#39;t exist, everything works as u=
sual.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; If &quot;before&quot; exists, it is always activated (and it r=
eceives the message)<br>
&gt;&gt; before<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; the slot lookup. Then, it produces a message (possibly the sam=
e) which will<br>
&gt;&gt; be<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; treated as usual.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; This could be used to test whether the sender as the &quot;rig=
ht&quot; to access a<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; particular slot, for example.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hi Julien,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; I like the idea. On my list for a 2nd gen Io is some form of suppo=
rt for<br>
&gt;&gt; rights on all objects.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Is there already a way to do this at user level?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; You can get the same effect using a proxy to forward message to th=
e real<br>
&gt;&gt; object.<br>
&gt;&gt; Io uses proxies for futures and supports turning all references of=
 one object<br>
&gt;&gt; to another.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Also, would anybody have a little constructive criticism about=
 Io?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Always welcome! :)<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Steve<br>
<br>
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