Re: 2nd gen Io

Steve Dekorte <[email protected]> Sat, 8 Mar 2014 18:22:24 -0800
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Would be interesting to see. :)

On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Scott Solmonson <[email protected]> wrote:
> Why stop there?
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y? Startup time would be increased hilariously, but in the "reusable object=
" paradigm once they're up, they're up. And a chain of authorization can th=
en exist that effortlessly overflows across cores, systems, and distance au=
tomagically.
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> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Steve Dekorte <[email protected]> wrote:
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ical projects part of the language - security, persistence, concurrency, di=
stribution and user interaction. All of these could be seen as mapping prob=
lems and their solution as adding explicit mapping boundaries.
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> The first idea (which was probably already done in Smalltalk in 1980s) is=
 to add a pointer to each object in the system to it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9Cown=
er=E2=80=9D and have object ownership domains where the domain leader is an=
 actor/process whose execution thread is used for processing all messages s=
ent to objects within it=E2=80=99s domain. Any object can become a domain o=
f the objects below it in the ownership graph. Domain boundaries are used t=
o solve the problems of security (tracking and verifying authority to invok=
e behaviors), concurrency (avoid unexpected state changes, closely associat=
e execution with the state it will be working on), distribution and persist=
ence (boundaries determine the state which needs to be persisted or moved).
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> Part of the persistence component is to support the indexing and lazy loa=
ding of individual objects and standard representations that can be externa=
lly manipulated and returned and merged with an optimistic locking mechanis=
m.
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> The user interaction part involves extending slots to have metadata and a=
 standard set of properties which are used for the interface mapping.
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> This would be a big project but hopefully there will be time in the futur=
e to take a stab at it.
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> Sorry for the delay in responding,
> Steve
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> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> > Come on Steve, there are Io fans who wanna hear about it! Let us chat.
> >
> > Selon Steve Dekorte <[email protected]>:
> >>
> >> On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> When there's no matching slot, the "forward" slot is activated.
> >>>
> >>> I have this idea about a "before" slot:
> >>>
> >>> If "before" doesn't exist, everything works as usual.
> >>>
> >>> If "before" exists, it is always activated (and it receives the messa=
ge)
> >> before
> >>> the slot lookup. Then, it produces a message (possibly the same) whic=
h will
> >> be
> >>> treated as usual.
> >>>
> >>> This could be used to test whether the sender as the "right" to acces=
s a
> >>> particular slot, for example.
> >>
> >> Hi Julien,
> >>
> >> I like the idea. On my list for a 2nd gen Io is some form of support f=
or
> >> rights on all objects.
> >>
> >>> Is there already a way to do this at user level?
> >>
> >> You can get the same effect using a proxy to forward message to the re=
al
> >> object.
> >> Io uses proxies for futures and supports turning all references of one=
 object
> >> to another.
> >>
> >>> Also, would anybody have a little constructive criticism about Io?
> >>
> >> Always welcome! :)
> >>
> >> Steve
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Would be interesting to see. :)<br>
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On Mar 6, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Scott Solmonson &lt;[email protected]&gt; wrot=
e:<br>
&gt; Why stop there?<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Why not sign every object from a root instance seed from the initial L=
obby? Startup time would be increased hilariously, but in the &quot;reusabl=
e object&quot; paradigm once they&#39;re up, they&#39;re up. And a chain of=
 authorization can then exist that effortlessly overflows across cores, sys=
tems, and distance automagically.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; -SS<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; NUNQUAM NON PARATUS =E2=98=A4 INCITATUS =C3=86TERNUS =E3=83=BD(=C2=B4=
=E2=97=87=EF=BD=80)=E3=83=8E<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; V/T: 00.1.408.718.6290<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Skype: Scott Solmonson<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Steve Dekorte &lt;[email protected]&gt=
; wrote:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; I=E2=80=99d like to make the things that tend to be re-implemented in =
typical projects part of the language - security, persistence, concurrency,=
 distribution and user interaction. All of these could be seen as mapping p=
roblems and their solution as adding explicit mapping boundaries.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The first idea (which was probably already done in Smalltalk in 1980s)=
 is to add a pointer to each object in the system to it=E2=80=99s =E2=80=9C=
owner=E2=80=9D and have object ownership domains where the domain leader is=
 an actor/process whose execution thread is used for processing all message=
s sent to objects within it=E2=80=99s domain. Any object can become a domai=
n of the objects below it in the ownership graph. Domain boundaries are use=
d to solve the problems of security (tracking and verifying authority to in=
voke behaviors), concurrency (avoid unexpected state changes, closely assoc=
iate execution with the state it will be working on), distribution and pers=
istence (boundaries determine the state which needs to be persisted or move=
d).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Part of the persistence component is to support the indexing and lazy =
loading of individual objects and standard representations that can be exte=
rnally manipulated and returned and merged with an optimistic locking mecha=
nism.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The user interaction part involves extending slots to have metadata an=
d a standard set of properties which are used for the interface mapping.<br=
>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This would be a big project but hopefully there will be time in the fu=
ture to take a stab at it.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Sorry for the delay in responding,<br>
&gt; Steve<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt; Come on Steve, there are Io fans who wanna hear about it! Let us =
chat.<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; Selon Steve Dekorte &lt;[email protected]&gt;:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; On Feb 19, 2014, at 1:28 AM, [email protected] wrote:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Hi all,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; When there&#39;s no matching slot, the &quot;forward&quot=
; slot is activated.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; I have this idea about a &quot;before&quot; slot:<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; If &quot;before&quot; doesn&#39;t exist, everything works=
 as usual.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; If &quot;before&quot; exists, it is always activated (and=
 it receives the message)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; before<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; the slot lookup. Then, it produces a message (possibly th=
e same) which will<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; be<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; treated as usual.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; This could be used to test whether the sender as the &quo=
t;right&quot; to access a<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; particular slot, for example.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Hi Julien,<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; I like the idea. On my list for a 2nd gen Io is some form of =
support for<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; rights on all objects.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Is there already a way to do this at user level?<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; You can get the same effect using a proxy to forward message =
to the real<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; object.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Io uses proxies for futures and supports turning all referenc=
es of one object<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; to another.<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt; Also, would anybody have a little constructive criticism =
about Io?<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Always welcome! :)<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt;&gt; Steve<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
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