Re: Jython 2.7 rc3 soft launch

It's worth bearing in mind that not even CPython regrtest always build
cleanly on their buildbots, whether it is 2.7, 3.4, or 3.5. See
http://buildbot.python.org/all/waterfall?category=2.7.stable&category=3.4.stable&category=3.x.stable

This was part of the discussion at the Python Language Summit two weeks ago
at PyCon with respect to CPython dev workflow.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 9:58 AM, [email protected] <
[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Jeff Allen <[email protected]> wrote:
> > It wasn't a stop the launch message, just reporting what I saw. I'm
> happy to
> > go with others' judgement.
> >
> > I am *instinctively* a bit uncomfortable that anything go out with
> failing
> > or skipped tests. But my instincts have been shaped by the sort of
> subjects
> > where just one counterexample proves you wrong, *not* by much experience
> > launching software products. I'm interested in how this level of test
> > conformance maps to user experience. I think Jython is pretty good now
> and
> > that we won't be buried in bug reports.
> >
> > I'd like to see testing give us a clearer result. At the moment it always
> > fails and you have to work out what kind of failure to know where you
> stand.
> > On the one hand I think defects should be visible and painful; on the
> other
> > I'd like to have a test that only shouts when something unexpected
> happens.
> > (And I'd like a build bot to do the shouting.)  Now I understand regrtest
> > better (since the weekend!), and which parts we added, I think it offers
> a
> > way of saying "everything is as expected (but don't forget these
> problems)",
> > vs. "you just broke something", with only the latter being shouted. It's
> > nearly there.
> You are totally right Jeff, getting a clean regression test is the
> goal, and I think we are getting close. Some kind of built bot would
> be even better :) It should be very doable in the 2.7.x series.
>
> With the 3.x series I hope to go even further and someday have build
> bots that actually track changes in the standard CPython library as
> they come in. Well, I can dream can't I? :)
>
> -Frank
>



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