Re: the health of Jython

I love jython and use it frequently, and have over 3 decades of programming
experience----so not quite a newbie.

Jython works like magic for the most part but the integration is so slick
sometimes I forget which platform I'm on.  The Java objects start looking
like python objects and vice versa (which is the whole point, after all),
but it can be a bit confusing---even though it all just works.

So...I'm willing to cut the newbies some slack on their confusion here.

-Jon


On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 6:29 PM, Adam Burke <[email protected]> wrote:

> It doesn't, of course - it looks like a  reaction from a beginner who
> hasn't learnt to contextually separate a language from the platform
> surrounding it.
>
> It might speak to the need for clearer doco entry points, though. The
> dominance (and usefulness) of stackoverflow for new programmers is also
> interesting. Because the foundation of jython predates it, there's not as
> much of a community around Jython there, that I've seen.
>
> We made the wiki closed to anon edits because of nasty spam problems, but
> contributors are very welcome - just ask on this mailing list.
>
> Adam
>
> > 在 17 Sep 2016，8:32 AM，Michael Chisholm <[email protected]> 写道：
> >
> > On 9/16/2016 1:13 PM, Guzdial, Mark wrote:
> >>> Apparently a lot of new programmers are being introduced to
> programming through CPython ... shouldn't the poor kids be learning Jython
> instead?
> >>
> >>
> >> Actually, many of the students at University who are learning Python
> are actually learning Jython.  The textbook that Barbara Ericson and I
> wrote uses Jython: https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Computing-
> Programming-Python-4th/dp/0134025547.  Last I saw market analysis, it's
> the third most popular Python University textbook, at least in the US.  If
> you read the reviews for the book, you'll see that lots of people are
> confused about Jython vs. Python.  Quoting one:
> >>
> >>
> >> This book is a prescribed text for a course: that's the only reason to
> buy it. Its biggest problem: false advertising. This is NOT a book on
> Python, it's about JYTHON - A Java based imitation of Python.
> >> Why? Well, there's some pretty software, available to download, which
> uses the the JRE. The author chose to stick with this "easy learning
> environment" and basically cripple anyone wanting to write Python code for
> Blender, Maya, Android etc.
> >>
> >> You may learn to program from this text, but don't expect a
> trouble-free life when you get exposed to the real language.
> >>
> >>
> >> The IDE that we wrote for the book, JES, is all Jython, and has been
> used by thousands of students for over a decade now: See
> http://cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/205801-14-years-of-
> a-learner-centered-python-ide/fulltext
> >
> > So I'll just ask the obvious: CPython and Jython are supposed to be
> > alternative implementations of the same language, Python.  IronPython is
> > another.  How does a different implementation imply a different language?
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
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