Re: The OCaml MOOC offered again?
"Martin DeMello [email protected] [ocaml_beginners]" <[email protected]> Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:30:46 -0800
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--001a113cf78459618605476c525c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is a good starting point if you're looking for books: https://github.com/rizo/awesome-ocaml#books There aren't many yet, but they're definitely out there and the community is gaining momentum. martin On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Douglas Lewit [email protected] [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi Alexandre, > > But what about Haskell? Haskell has a huge amount of documentation to > support it. I believe Haskell originally began at the University of > Edinborough in Scotland as a mostly academic initiative. Now if I visit > Amazon.com there are DOZENS of books about Haskell, and www.oreilly.com > now offers two or maybe three tutorial video collections on Haskell. Bot= h > Haskell and Scala are very well documented. So is F#. OCaml has much le= ss > documentation to support it, and that's a weakness. ( More a weakness of > the culture than of the language per se. ) Other languages are also wel= l > supported with very good documentation. There must be hundreds of books > and YouTube videos describing all the functions, libraries and applicatio= ns > of Python, Ruby, Java, JavaScript, etc, etc. Even in the obscure world o= f > AI one can find some good documentation explaining how to write code in > LISP and how to use Emacs as an IDE/editor. I just wish that the OCaml > community would follow that example. I sort of get the feeling that the > only way to really learn everything about OCaml is to get a job working a= t > Jane Street. Otherwise.... well, good luck! > > Actually.... there's a good question. Does Jane Street have any > documentation for OCaml that is *open to the public*? I've tried looking > for some, but so far haven't had much success trying to find it. > > Best, > > Douglas. > > > > > On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Gouraud alexandre.gouraud@enst= - > bretagne.fr [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Dears, >> >> Let me give you my two cents to this story. OCaml has been created by a >> french "public" research organisation called Inria. Therefore, the >> evolutions of the language have followed requirements that are way far f= rom >> the promotion and adoption of a language by a majority of users. Their >> requirements were more research oriented, with quite limited resources. = If >> it turns out that the language is useful and used by many researchers or >> developers, fine, but it was/is not the initial objective, nor any long( >> er) term objective. Research organizations, by nature, cannot deal with >> such objectives, as Microsoft or Sun or Google do with their own languag= e. >> This being said, even business oriented organisation do not promote >> languages for the fun of it, it is usually because they think it brings >> them strategic advantage on their market...remember. >> >> At the end, INRIA's people don't have time anymore to promote the >> language, develop it, write books and answer to questions. They mainly r= ely >> on the community. This is why there is no decent environment for Windows >> developers, and I am the first one to deplore it. Finally, remember that >> it was a french initiative. I believe that because the engineers who fir= st >> adopted it were not native English speakers was a barrier (and still is)= a >> barrier to wider adoption of the language, despite the HUGE penetration = of >> this language in the world. You see here the power of the language of a >> culture and the influence it allows. >> >> OCaml is great ! Keep coding :-) >> >> Cheers, >> >> Alexandre. >> >> 2017-01-31 17:58 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit [email protected] >> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> >>> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? Hahah= ahahaha.... >>> very funny!!! I'm not sure if one language is really "better" than >>> another, but I find it really interesting why Don Syme ( F#'s creator )= did >>> it his way and why Xavier Leroy ( OCaml's creator ) did it another way. >>> Don Syme obviously made the decision that it was silly to have + for in= ts >>> and +. for floats, and I think in OCaml you need +/ for big ints, etc, >>> etc. So Don Syme combined everything into one overloaded operator. Is= it >>> good or bad? I'm not sure. It depends on the programmer and why you'r= e >>> programming. BUT.... I still believe that language documentation is ve= ry, >>> very important. You can have the greatest computer language in the wor= ld, >>> but if nobody writes about it or teaches it.... then who is going to kn= ow >>> about it except a minority of elite developers?! ( And the elitist >>> mentality will not help a language to become popular and successful. ) >>> >>> The OCaml MOOC is a fun course, and full of great information, but I >>> don't like that the team behind it is pretty bad about answering email >>> queries. I sent a couple of emails to OCamlPro requesting more informa= tion >>> and did not get back a single reply. I guess I'm not important enough = for >>> them to worry about! ( Or so they think. ) Again.... a wonderful >>> language, but the community of people supporting the language have to d= o >>> their work to promote the language. Unless of course we want OCaml to = go >>> the route of Pascal or Perl! >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi [email protected]= m >>> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Douglas Lewit [email protected] >>>> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > Hello everyone, >>>> > >>>> > Remember that OCaml MOOC offered through that university in Paris, >>>> France? Does anyone know if that course is going to be offered again i= n the >>>> near future? It wasn't bad! Definitely challenging, but I learned a lo= t. >>>> >>>> The MOOC has been offered in 2015 and in 2016, both times it started >>>> around Oct/Nov. Lacking any other information, we can extrapolate >>>> from this small data set and hope that the MOOC will be offered again >>>> toward the end of 2017 :) >>>> >>>> > If I want to concatenate the strings "Hello, " and "World!" in OCaml >>>> I have to write "Hello, " ^ "World!", but in F# I would just write "He= llo, >>>> " + "World!". >>>> >>>> Just for curiosity, why in Ocaml you *HAVE*TO* use ^, while in F# you >>>> *JUST* use + ? >>>> >>>> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? >>>> >>>> > The operator overloading feature however does have a disadvantage >>>> because if I don't make use of specific type annotations then the type >>>> checker automatically assumes that my function arguments are integers.= ... >>>> and that is not always an accurate assumption! >>>> >>>> That's correct. And in addition, even when the assumptions turn out >>>> to be accurate, the code is less clear for a human reader. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandre >> >> >=20 > --001a113cf78459618605476c525c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><div dir=3D"ltr">This is a good starting point if you're looki= ng for books:<div><br></div><div><a href=3D"https://github.com/rizo/awesome= -ocaml#books">https://github.com/rizo/awesome-ocaml#books</a><br></div><div= ><br></div><div>There aren't many yet, but they're definitely out t= here and the community is gaining momentum.</div><div><br></div><div>martin= </div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tu= e, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:25 PM, Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= om">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href= =3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ocaml_beginne= [email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot= e" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"4">Hi Alexandre,</font><div><fo= nt size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">But what about Haskell= ?=C2=A0 Haskell has a huge amount of documentation to support it.=C2=A0 I b= elieve Haskell originally began at the University of Edinborough in Scotlan= d as a mostly academic initiative.=C2=A0 Now if I visit Amazon.com there ar= e DOZENS of books about Haskell, and <a href=3D"http://www.oreilly.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">www.oreilly.com</a> now offers two or maybe three tutorial v= ideo collections on Haskell.=C2=A0 Both Haskell and Scala are very well doc= umented.=C2=A0 So is F#.=C2=A0 OCaml has much less documentation to support= it, and that's a weakness. =C2=A0( More a weakness of the culture than= of the language per se. ) =C2=A0 Other languages are also well supported w= ith very good documentation.=C2=A0 There must be hundreds of books and YouT= ube videos describing all the functions, libraries and applications of Pyth= on, Ruby, Java, JavaScript, etc, etc.=C2=A0 Even in the obscure world of AI= one can find some good documentation explaining how to write code in LISP = and how to use Emacs as an IDE/editor.=C2=A0 I just wish that the OCaml com= munity would follow that example.=C2=A0 I sort of get the feeling that the = only way to really learn everything about OCaml is to get a job working at = Jane Street.=C2=A0 Otherwise.... well, good luck!</font></div><div><font si= ze=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Actually.... there's a = good question.=C2=A0 Does Jane Street have any documentation for OCaml that= is <i><u>open to the public</u></i>?=C2=A0 I've tried looking for some= , but so far haven't had much success trying to find it.</font></div><d= iv><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Best,</font></di= v><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Douglas.</fo= nt></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br><= /font></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class=3D= "h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan = 31, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Gouraud <a href=3D"mailto:alexandre.gouraud@= enst-bretagne.fr" target=3D"_blank">alexandre.gouraud@enst-<wbr>bretagne.fr= </a> [ocaml_beginners] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ocaml_beginn= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ocaml_beginners@yahoogroups.<wbr>com= </a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border= -left:1px #ccc solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dears, </div><div><br></div><div>Let me = give you my two=C2=A0cents to this story. <span id=3D"m_5498942033128934038= m_-6515622371976885825:141.42">OCaml</span> has been created by a french &q= uot;public"=C2=A0research organisation called <span id=3D"m_5498942033= 128934038m_-6515622371976885825:141.43">Inria</span>. Therefore, the evolut= ions of the language have followed requirements that are way far from the p= romotion and adoption of a language by a majority of users. Their requireme= nts were more research oriented, with quite limited resources.=C2=A0If it t= urns out that the language is useful and used by many researchers or develo= pers, fine, but it was/is not the initial objective, nor any long(<span id= =3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825:141.44">er</span>) term obj= ective. Research <span id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825:14= 1.45">organizations</span>, by nature, cannot deal with such objectives, as= Microsoft or Sun or Google do with their own language. This being said, ev= en business oriented organisation do not promote languages for the fun of i= t, it is usually because they think it brings them strategic advantage on t= heir market...remember. </div><div><br></div><div>At the end, <span id=3D"m= _5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825:141.46">INRIA's</span> peopl= e don't have time anymore to promote the language, develop it, write bo= oks and answer to questions. They mainly rely on the community. This is why= there is no decent environment for Windows developers, and I am the first = one to deplore it. Finally, remember that it=C2=A0was a french initiative.= =C2=A0I=C2=A0believe that because=C2=A0the=C2=A0engineers who first adopted= it=C2=A0were not native English speakers was a barrier (and still is)=C2= =A0a barrier to wider adoption of the language, despite the=C2=A0HUGE penet= ration of this language in the world. You see here the power of the languag= e of a culture and the influence it allows. </div><div><br></div><div><span= id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825:141.47">OCaml</span> is = great ! Keep coding :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div><br></d= iv><div>Alexandre. </div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote">2017-01-31 17:58 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"mailt= o:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginne= rs] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= " target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span>:<br= ><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-840078369785528052= 3ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280= 523ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-84007836978552= 80523ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:georgia;font-size:= 13px;">Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? = =C2=A0 </span><font face=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4">Hahahahahaha..= .. very funny!!!=C2=A0 I'm not sure if one language is really "bet= ter" than another, but I find it really interesting why Don Syme ( F#&= #39;s creator ) did it his way and why Xavier Leroy ( OCaml's creator )= did it another way.=C2=A0 Don Syme obviously made the decision that it was= silly to have + for ints and +. for floats, and I think in OCaml you need = +/ for big ints, etc, etc.=C2=A0 So Don Syme combined everything into o= ne overloaded operator.=C2=A0 Is it good or bad?=C2=A0 I'm not sure.=C2= =A0 It depends on the programmer and why you're programming.=C2=A0 BUT.= ... I still believe that language documentation is very, very important.=C2= =A0 You can have the greatest computer language in the world, but if nobody= writes about it or teaches it.... then who is going to know about it excep= t a minority of elite developers?! =C2=A0( And the elitist mentality will n= ot help a language to become popular and successful. )</font><div><font fac= e=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"m= onospace, monospace" size=3D"4">The OCaml MOOC is a fun course, and full of= great information, but I don't like that the team behind it is pretty = bad about answering email queries.=C2=A0 I sent a couple of emails to OCaml= Pro requesting more information and did not get back a single reply.=C2=A0 = I guess I'm not important enough for them to worry about! =C2=A0( Or so= they think. ) =C2=A0Again.... a wonderful language, but the community of p= eople supporting the language have to do their work to promote the language= .=C2=A0 Unless of course we want OCaml to go the route of Pascal or Perl!</= font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4"><br></font><= /div></div><span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi <a href=3D"mailto:olop= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners= ] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span> wrote= :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;= "> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-840078369785528052= 3m_-7001109014211587405ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280= 523m_-7001109014211587405ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825m_-84007836978552= 80523m_-7001109014211587405ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><span>On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"m= ailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> [ocaml_beginners] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta= rget=3D"_blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Hello everyone,<br> ><br> > Remember that OCaml MOOC offered through that university in Paris, Fra= nce? Does anyone know if that course is going to be offered again in the n= ear future? It wasn't bad! Definitely challenging, but I learned a lo= t.<br> <br></span> The MOOC has been offered in 2015 and in 2016, both times it started<br> around Oct/Nov. Lacking any other information, we can extrapolate<br> from this small data set and hope that the MOOC will be offered again<br> toward the end of 2017 :)<span><br> <br> > If I want to concatenate the strings "Hello, " and "W= orld!" in OCaml I have to write "Hello, " ^ "World!&quo= t;, but in F# I would just write "Hello, " + "World!".<= br> <br></span> Just for curiosity, why in Ocaml you *HAVE*TO* use ^, while in F# you<br> *JUST* use + ?<br> <br> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ?<span><b= r> <br> > The operator overloading feature however does have a disadvantage beca= use if I don't make use of specific type annotations then the type chec= ker automatically assumes that my function arguments are integers.... and t= hat is not always an accurate assumption!<br> <br></span> That's correct. And in addition, even when the assumptions turn out<br= > to be accurate, the code is less clear for a human reader.<br> <br> Cheers<br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </span><p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br><div class= =3D"m_5498942033128934038m_-6515622371976885825gmail_signature">Alexandre</= div> </div> <p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div><p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; height: 0;">__._,_.___</div> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20 =20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <div id=3D"fromDMARC" style=3D"margin-top: 10px;"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background= -color:#E3E3E3;"> Posted by: Martin DeMello <[email protected]> <h= r style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; background-color:#E3= E3E3;"> </div> <div style=3D"clear:both"> </div> <table cellspacing=3D4px style=3D"margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px= ; color: #2D50FD;"> <tbody> <tr> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; font-weight: bo= ld; padding: 7px 5px 5px;" > <a style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD= " href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ocaml_beginners/conversations= /messages/14747;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJxdGxrYWI1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ5OTkxOTQE= Z3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzQ3BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTQ= 4NTkwNTQ0OA--?act=3Dreply&messageNum=3D14747">Reply via web post</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%3A%20%22= ocaml_beginners%22%3A%3A%5B%5D%20The%20OCaml%20MOOC%20offered%20again%3F" s= tyle=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD;"> Reply to sender </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;"> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]?subject=3DRe%= 3A%20%22ocaml_beginners%22%3A%3A%5B%5D%20The%20OCaml%20MOOC%20offered%20aga= in%3F" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD"> Reply to group </a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/ocaml_beginners/= conversations/newtopic;_ylc=3DX3oDMTJldDdiZTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ5O= TkxOTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ4NTkwNTQ0= OA--" style=3D"text-decoration: none; color: #2D50FD">Start a New Topic</a> </td> <td>•</td> <td style=3D"font-size: 12px; font-family: arial; padding: 7px 5p= x 5px;color: #2D50FD;" > <a href=3D"https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/= ocaml_beginners/conversations/topics/14740;_ylc=3DX3oDMTM2ZXRmcG5qBF9TAzk3M= zU5NzE0BGdycElkAzQ5OTkxOTQEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDA2NzY0BG1zZ0lkAzE0NzQ3BHNlYwNm= dHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTQ4NTkwNTQ0OAR0cGNJZAMxNDc0MA--" style=3D"text-dec= oration: none; color: #2D50FD;">Messages in this topic</a> (8) </td> </tr> </tbody> </table> =20=20=20=20=20=20=20=20 <div id=3D"megaphoneModule"> <hr style=3D"height:2px ; border-width:0; color:#E3E3E3; backgr= ound-color:#E3E3E3;"> <div> <div class=3D"stream" style=3D"margin-bottom:10px;"> <div style=3D"background-color:white;"> <div class=3D"sn-img" style=3D"display:inline;"><img name=3D"tn= _file" style=3D"padding:0px 10px;vertical-align:top;margin-top:5px;" src=3D= "https://s.yimg.com/ru/static/images/yg/img/megaphone/1464031581_phpFA8bON"= height=3D"82" width=3D"82"></div> <div class=3D"mod-txt" style=3D"display:inline-block;"> <a rel=3D"nofollow" name=3D"sub_url" target=3D"_blank" href= =3D"https://yho.com/1wwmgg" style=3D"color:#0000FF;display:block;margin-lef= t:5px;text-decoration:none;"><span style=3D"font-size:15px;">Have you tried= the highest rated email app?</span></a> <div style=3D"max-width:530px;padding:2px 5px;">With 4.5 st= ars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the mar= ket. 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