Re: The OCaml MOOC offered again?
"Alexandre Gouraud [email protected] [ocaml_beginners]" <[email protected]> Wed, 1 Feb 2017 22:38:56 +0100
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--94eb2c1cbbc074464305477ee1f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Douglas, By francophone community I mean all french speakers, a community which is wider than french people, including (but not only) people in Qu=C3=A9bec and many country in Africa. For your records, if OCaml and F# seems so similar, it is because F# is a fork of OCaml. Alexandre. 2017-02-01 21:20 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit [email protected] [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]>: > > > Hi Alexandre, > > What do you mean "the francophone" community. I'm not sure I understand. > > F# is nicely documented. There are many books available to the public, > but of course F# is primarily used by Windows users. However, I normally > use a Mac or Linux Ubuntu. There is a free application called "Mono" tha= t > Mac users can get through brew and Linux users can get from their native > package manager ( apt-get install..... ). I believe that F# files have t= o > end with the ".exe" extension, which of course describes most Windows > files. But using "mono" it's possible run these .exe files on a Mac or i= n > the Linux environment. F# is interesting to me because it looks almost > exactly like OCaml! I'm sure if I continue to study the 2 languages I wi= ll > begin to see big differences, but they both use much of the same syntax, > pattern matching, guards, "let rec" to define recursive functions, > statements end in "; ;" just like in OCaml, records can contain mutable o= r > immutable data, etc, etc..... it's pretty interesting! The only reason w= hy > I tend to favor F# a little over OCaml is because of all the books out > there. Each book has strengths and weaknesses of course, but if I gather > enough documentation and really study it, then after a while I can really > put together the pieces of the puzzle to get a pretty good picture of wha= t > I am trying to study. I never liked depending on only one book or one > resource. One is usually not enough. > > I'm not a big fan of Windows! But I will admit that Microsoft does a > pretty good job of marketing its various products and features. I think > OCaml is really more for the Unix/Linux groups, and that's great because = I > love Unix and Linux.... but I also love good and plentiful documentation! > > Douglas. > > > On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 1:51 AM, Alexandre Gouraud alexandre.gouraud@enst- > bretagne.fr [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> Hi Douglas, >> >> As you mentioned Haskell has been created by native English speakers, >> hence a wider adoption. There are many books for OCaml in French, becaus= e >> it has been teached in French universities. Though francophone community= is >> smaller. >> >> If you say there are less books for OCaml than for Haskell for instance >> (Are you sure F# is more documented ?), I believe you. But for my person= al >> use, I have never been limited by this... >> >> Alexandre. >> >> >> 2017-02-01 0:25 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit [email protected] >> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]>: >> >>> >>> >>> Hi Alexandre, >>> >>> But what about Haskell? Haskell has a huge amount of documentation to >>> support it. I believe Haskell originally began at the University of >>> Edinborough in Scotland as a mostly academic initiative. Now if I visi= t >>> Amazon.com there are DOZENS of books about Haskell, and www.oreilly.com >>> now offers two or maybe three tutorial video collections on Haskell. B= oth >>> Haskell and Scala are very well documented. So is F#. OCaml has much = less >>> documentation to support it, and that's a weakness. ( More a weakness = of >>> the culture than of the language per se. ) Other languages are also w= ell >>> supported with very good documentation. There must be hundreds of book= s >>> and YouTube videos describing all the functions, libraries and applicat= ions >>> of Python, Ruby, Java, JavaScript, etc, etc. Even in the obscure world= of >>> AI one can find some good documentation explaining how to write code in >>> LISP and how to use Emacs as an IDE/editor. I just wish that the OCaml >>> community would follow that example. I sort of get the feeling that th= e >>> only way to really learn everything about OCaml is to get a job working= at >>> Jane Street. Otherwise.... well, good luck! >>> >>> Actually.... there's a good question. Does Jane Street have any >>> documentation for OCaml that is *open to the public*? I've tried >>> looking for some, but so far haven't had much success trying to find it= . >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Douglas. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Alexandre Gouraud >>> [email protected] [ocaml_beginners] < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dears, >>>> >>>> Let me give you my two cents to this story. OCaml has been created by >>>> a french "public" research organisation called Inria. Therefore, the >>>> evolutions of the language have followed requirements that are way far= from >>>> the promotion and adoption of a language by a majority of users. Their >>>> requirements were more research oriented, with quite limited resources= . If >>>> it turns out that the language is useful and used by many researchers = or >>>> developers, fine, but it was/is not the initial objective, nor any lon= g( >>>> er) term objective. Research organizations, by nature, cannot deal >>>> with such objectives, as Microsoft or Sun or Google do with their own >>>> language. This being said, even business oriented organisation do not >>>> promote languages for the fun of it, it is usually because they think = it >>>> brings them strategic advantage on their market...remember. >>>> >>>> At the end, INRIA's people don't have time anymore to promote the >>>> language, develop it, write books and answer to questions. They mainly= rely >>>> on the community. This is why there is no decent environment for Windo= ws >>>> developers, and I am the first one to deplore it. Finally, remember th= at >>>> it was a french initiative. I believe that because the engineers who f= irst >>>> adopted it were not native English speakers was a barrier (and still i= s) a >>>> barrier to wider adoption of the language, despite the HUGE penetratio= n of >>>> this language in the world. You see here the power of the language of = a >>>> culture and the influence it allows. >>>> >>>> OCaml is great ! Keep coding :-) >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Alexandre. >>>> >>>> 2017-01-31 17:58 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit [email protected] >>>> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? Hah= ahahahaha.... >>>>> very funny!!! I'm not sure if one language is really "better" than >>>>> another, but I find it really interesting why Don Syme ( F#'s creator= ) did >>>>> it his way and why Xavier Leroy ( OCaml's creator ) did it another wa= y. >>>>> Don Syme obviously made the decision that it was silly to have + for = ints >>>>> and +. for floats, and I think in OCaml you need +/ for big ints, etc= , >>>>> etc. So Don Syme combined everything into one overloaded operator. = Is it >>>>> good or bad? I'm not sure. It depends on the programmer and why you= 're >>>>> programming. BUT.... I still believe that language documentation is = very, >>>>> very important. You can have the greatest computer language in the w= orld, >>>>> but if nobody writes about it or teaches it.... then who is going to = know >>>>> about it except a minority of elite developers?! ( And the elitist >>>>> mentality will not help a language to become popular and successful. = ) >>>>> >>>>> The OCaml MOOC is a fun course, and full of great information, but I >>>>> don't like that the team behind it is pretty bad about answering emai= l >>>>> queries. I sent a couple of emails to OCamlPro requesting more infor= mation >>>>> and did not get back a single reply. I guess I'm not important enoug= h for >>>>> them to worry about! ( Or so they think. ) Again.... a wonderful >>>>> language, but the community of people supporting the language have to= do >>>>> their work to promote the language. Unless of course we want OCaml t= o go >>>>> the route of Pascal or Perl! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi >>>>> [email protected] [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]= m >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Douglas Lewit [email protected] >>>>>> [ocaml_beginners] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Hello everyone, >>>>>> > >>>>>> > Remember that OCaml MOOC offered through that university in Paris, >>>>>> France? Does anyone know if that course is going to be offered again= in the >>>>>> near future? It wasn't bad! Definitely challenging, but I learned a = lot. >>>>>> >>>>>> The MOOC has been offered in 2015 and in 2016, both times it started >>>>>> around Oct/Nov. Lacking any other information, we can extrapolate >>>>>> from this small data set and hope that the MOOC will be offered agai= n >>>>>> toward the end of 2017 :) >>>>>> >>>>>> > If I want to concatenate the strings "Hello, " and "World!" in >>>>>> OCaml I have to write "Hello, " ^ "World!", but in F# I would just w= rite >>>>>> "Hello, " + "World!". >>>>>> >>>>>> Just for curiosity, why in Ocaml you *HAVE*TO* use ^, while in F# yo= u >>>>>> *JUST* use + ? >>>>>> >>>>>> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? >>>>>> >>>>>> > The operator overloading feature however does have a disadvantage >>>>>> because if I don't make use of specific type annotations then the ty= pe >>>>>> checker automatically assumes that my function arguments are integer= s.... >>>>>> and that is not always an accurate assumption! >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct. And in addition, even when the assumptions turn out >>>>>> to be accurate, the code is less clear for a human reader. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Alexandre >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandre >> >> >=20 > --=20 Alexandre --94eb2c1cbbc074464305477ee1f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/htm= l4/strict.dtd"> <html> <head> </head> =20 <body style=3D"background-color: #fff;"> <span style=3D"display:none"> </span> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStartT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-mlmsg" style=3D"position:relative;"> <div id=3D"ygrp-msg" style=3D"z-index: 1;"> <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlEndT|**|-~--> <div id=3D"ygrp-text" > =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Douglas, </div><div><br></div><div>By fra= ncophone community I mean all french speakers, a community which is wider t= han french people, including (but not only) people in Qu=C3=A9bec and=C2=A0= many country in Africa.</div><div><br></div><div>For your records, if OCaml= and F# seems so similar, it is because F# is a fork of OCaml.</div><div><b= r></div><div>Alexandre.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote">2017-02-01 21:20 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"m= ailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners] <span dir= =3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_= blank">[email protected]</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"4">Hi Alexandre,</font><div><fo= nt size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">What do you mean "= ;the francophone" community.=C2=A0 I'm not sure I understand.</fon= t></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">F# is = nicely documented.=C2=A0 There are many books available to the public, but = of course F# is primarily used by Windows users.=C2=A0 However, I normally = use a Mac or Linux Ubuntu.=C2=A0 There is a free application called "M= ono" that Mac users can get through brew and Linux users can get from = their native package manager ( apt-get install..... ).=C2=A0 I believe that= F# files have to end with the ".exe" extension, which of course = describes most Windows files.=C2=A0 But using "mono" it's pos= sible run these .exe files on a Mac or in the Linux environment.=C2=A0 F# i= s interesting to me because it looks almost exactly like OCaml!=C2=A0 I'= ;m sure if I continue to study the 2 languages I will begin to see big diff= erences, but they both use much of the same syntax, pattern matching, guard= s, "let rec" to define recursive functions, statements end in &qu= ot;; ;" just like in OCaml, records can contain mutable or immutable d= ata, etc, etc..... it's pretty interesting!=C2=A0 The only reason why I= tend to favor F# a little over OCaml is because of all the books out there= .=C2=A0 Each book has strengths and weaknesses of course, but if I gather e= nough documentation and really study it, then after a while I can really pu= t together the pieces of the puzzle to get a pretty good picture of what I = am trying to study.=C2=A0 I never liked depending on only one book or one r= esource.=C2=A0 One is usually not enough.</font></div><div><font size=3D"4"= ><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">I'm not a big fan of Windows!= =C2=A0 But I will admit that Microsoft does a pretty good job of marketing = its various products and features.=C2=A0 I think OCaml is really more for t= he Unix/Linux groups, and that's great because I love Unix and Linux...= . but I also love good and plentiful documentation!</font></div><div><font = size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Douglas.</font></div><div= ><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div class= =3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 1:51= AM, Alexandre Gouraud <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= " target=3D"_blank">alexandre.gouraud@enst-<wbr>bretagne.fr</a> [ocaml_begi= nners] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ocaml_beginners@yahoogroups.= com" target=3D"_blank">ocaml_beginners@yahoogroups.<wbr>com</a>></span> = wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px #ccc s= olid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:#fff;"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><p>Hi Douglas, </p><div><br></div><div>As you= mentioned=C2=A0Haskell has been created by native English speakers, hence = a wider adoption. There are many books for OCaml in French, because it has = been teached in French universities. Though=C2=A0francophone community is s= maller. </div><div><br></div><div>If you say there are less books for OCaml= than for Haskell for instance (Are you sure=C2=A0F# is more documented ?),= I believe you. But for my personal use, I have never been limited by this.= ..</div><div><br></div><div>Alexandre. </div><div><div class=3D"m_-25415980= 86365472433h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">201= 7-02-01 0:25 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]= m" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners] <span dir=3D"l= tr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(20= 4,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-88842185858680234= 07ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-888421858586802= 3407ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868= 023407ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><font size=3D"4">Hi Alexandre,</font><div><fo= nt size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">But what about Haskell= ?=C2=A0 Haskell has a huge amount of documentation to support it.=C2=A0 I b= elieve Haskell originally began at the University of Edinborough in Scotlan= d as a mostly academic initiative.=C2=A0 Now if I visit Amazon.com there ar= e DOZENS of books about Haskell, and <a href=3D"http://www.oreilly.com" tar= get=3D"_blank">www.oreilly.com</a> now offers two or maybe three tutorial v= ideo collections on Haskell.=C2=A0 Both Haskell and Scala are very well doc= umented.=C2=A0 So is F#.=C2=A0 OCaml has much less documentation to support= it, and that's a weakness. =C2=A0( More a weakness of the culture than= of the language per se. ) =C2=A0 Other languages are also well supported w= ith very good documentation.=C2=A0 There must be hundreds of books and YouT= ube videos describing all the functions, libraries and applications of Pyth= on, Ruby, Java, JavaScript, etc, etc.=C2=A0 Even in the obscure world of AI= one can find some good documentation explaining how to write code in LISP = and how to use Emacs as an IDE/editor.=C2=A0 I just wish that the OCaml com= munity would follow that example.=C2=A0 I sort of get the feeling that the = only way to really learn everything about OCaml is to get a job working at = Jane Street.=C2=A0 Otherwise.... well, good luck!</font></div><div><font si= ze=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Actually.... there's a = good question.=C2=A0 Does Jane Street have any documentation for OCaml that= is <i><u>open to the public</u></i>?=C2=A0 I've tried looking for some= , but so far haven't had much success trying to find it.</font></div><d= iv><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Best,</font></di= v><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4">Douglas.</fo= nt></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br><= /font></div><div><font size=3D"4"><br></font></div></div><div class=3D"gmai= l_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><div class=3D"m_-2541598086365= 472433m_-1284172616474559501h5">On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Alexandre = Gouraud <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_bl= ank">alexandre.gouraud@enst-bretagn<wbr>e.fr</a> [ocaml_beginners] <span di= r=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"= _blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span> wrote:<br></div= ></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204= ,204,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-88842185858680234= 07m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-888421858586802= 3407m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868= 023407m_-6515622371976885825ygrp-text"><div><div class=3D"m_-25415980863654= 72433m_-1284172616474559501h5"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dears, </div><div><br></div><div>Let me = give you my two=C2=A0cents to this story. <span id=3D"m_-254159808636547243= 3m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868023407m_-6515622371976885825:141.42"= >OCaml</span> has been created by a french "public"=C2=A0research= organisation called <span id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-12841726164745595= 01m_-8884218585868023407m_-6515622371976885825:141.43">Inria</span>. Theref= ore, the evolutions of the language have followed requirements that are way= far from the promotion and adoption of a language by a majority of users. = Their requirements were more research oriented, with quite limited resource= s.=C2=A0If it turns out that the language is useful and used by many resear= chers or developers, fine, but it was/is not the initial objective, nor any= long(<span id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585= 868023407m_-6515622371976885825:141.44">er</span>) term objective. Research= <span id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-888421858586802= 3407m_-6515622371976885825:141.45">organizations</span>, by nature, cannot = deal with such objectives, as Microsoft or Sun or Google do with their own = language. This being said, even business oriented organisation do not promo= te languages for the fun of it, it is usually because they think it brings = them strategic advantage on their market...remember. </div><div><br></div><= div>At the end, <span id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-= 8884218585868023407m_-6515622371976885825:141.46">INRIA's</span> people= don't have time anymore to promote the language, develop it, write boo= ks and answer to questions. They mainly rely on the community. This is why = there is no decent environment for Windows developers, and I am the first o= ne to deplore it. Finally, remember that it=C2=A0was a french initiative.= =C2=A0I=C2=A0believe that because=C2=A0the=C2=A0engineers who first adopted= it=C2=A0were not native English speakers was a barrier (and still is)=C2= =A0a barrier to wider adoption of the language, despite the=C2=A0HUGE penet= ration of this language in the world. You see here the power of the languag= e of a culture and the influence it allows. </div><div><br></div><div><span= id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868023407m_= -6515622371976885825:141.47">OCaml</span> is great ! Keep coding :-)</div><= div><br></div><div>Cheers, </div><div><br></div><div>Alexandre. </div></div= ></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div><div class=3D"m_-2541598086365= 472433m_-1284172616474559501h5"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2017-01-31 1= 7:58 GMT+01:00 Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" targe= t=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners] <span dir=3D"ltr"><= <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">ocaml_= [email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmai= l_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-width:1px;= border-left-style:solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-88842185858680234= 07m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523ygrp-mlmsg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-888421858586802= 3407m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523ygrp-msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868= 023407m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523ygrp-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p></p><div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-family:georgia;font-size:= 13px;">Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ? = =C2=A0 </span><font face=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4">Hahahahahaha..= .. very funny!!!=C2=A0 I'm not sure if one language is really "bet= ter" than another, but I find it really interesting why Don Syme ( F#&= #39;s creator ) did it his way and why Xavier Leroy ( OCaml's creator )= did it another way.=C2=A0 Don Syme obviously made the decision that it was= silly to have + for ints and +. for floats, and I think in OCaml you need = +/ for big ints, etc, etc.=C2=A0 So Don Syme combined everything into o= ne overloaded operator.=C2=A0 Is it good or bad?=C2=A0 I'm not sure.=C2= =A0 It depends on the programmer and why you're programming.=C2=A0 BUT.= ... I still believe that language documentation is very, very important.=C2= =A0 You can have the greatest computer language in the world, but if nobody= writes about it or teaches it.... then who is going to know about it excep= t a minority of elite developers?! =C2=A0( And the elitist mentality will n= ot help a language to become popular and successful. )</font><div><font fac= e=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"m= onospace, monospace" size=3D"4">The OCaml MOOC is a fun course, and full of= great information, but I don't like that the team behind it is pretty = bad about answering email queries.=C2=A0 I sent a couple of emails to OCaml= Pro requesting more information and did not get back a single reply.=C2=A0 = I guess I'm not important enough for them to worry about! =C2=A0( Or so= they think. ) =C2=A0Again.... a wonderful language, but the community of p= eople supporting the language have to do their work to promote the language= .=C2=A0 Unless of course we want OCaml to go the route of Pascal or Perl!</= font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace, monospace" size=3D"4"><br></font><= /div></div><span><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">= On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:43 PM, Pierpaolo Bernardi <a href=3D"mailto:olop= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a> [ocaml_beginners= ] <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" = target=3D"_blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>></span> wrote= :<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left-color:rgb(204,2= 04,204);border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;"> <u></u> =20 <div style=3D"background-color:rgb(255,255,255);"> <span>=C2=A0</span> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-88842185858680234= 07m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523m_-7001109014211587405ygrp-ml= msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-888421858586802= 3407m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523m_-7001109014211587405ygrp-= msg"> <div id=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868= 023407m_-6515622371976885825m_-8400783697855280523m_-7001109014211587405ygr= p-text"> =20=20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20=20=20 <p><span>On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 10:53 PM, Douglas Lewit <a href=3D"m= ailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br> [ocaml_beginners] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" ta= rget=3D"_blank">[email protected]<wbr>om</a>> wrote:<br> ><br> ><br> ><br> > Hello everyone,<br> ><br> > Remember that OCaml MOOC offered through that university in Paris, Fra= nce? Does anyone know if that course is going to be offered again in the n= ear future? It wasn't bad! Definitely challenging, but I learned a lo= t.<br> <br></span> The MOOC has been offered in 2015 and in 2016, both times it started<br> around Oct/Nov. Lacking any other information, we can extrapolate<br> from this small data set and hope that the MOOC will be offered again<br> toward the end of 2017 :)<span><br> <br> > If I want to concatenate the strings "Hello, " and "W= orld!" in OCaml I have to write "Hello, " ^ "World!&quo= t;, but in F# I would just write "Hello, " + "World!".<= br> <br></span> Just for curiosity, why in Ocaml you *HAVE*TO* use ^, while in F# you<br> *JUST* use + ?<br> <br> Looks like it's a major relief for you to type + instead of ^ ?<span><b= r> <br> > The operator overloading feature however does have a disadvantage beca= use if I don't make use of specific type annotations then the type chec= ker automatically assumes that my function arguments are integers.... and t= hat is not always an accurate assumption!<br> <br></span> That's correct. And in addition, even when the assumptions turn out<br= > to be accurate, the code is less clear for a human reader.<br> <br> Cheers<br> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255);"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </span><p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255);"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br></div></div>-- <br= ><div class=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-1284172616474559501m_-8884218585868= 023407m_-6515622371976885825gmail_signature" data=3D"https://ci4.googleuser= content.com/proxy/CpYzkcDKjPf-NqFCSu4GBqoQ_5P1dDkfTMWPGDqglo-e-uanL4gIS02e2= U0=3Ds0-d-e1-ft#http://gmail_signature">Alexandre</div> </div> <p></p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255);"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> <p></p> <p></p></div><span> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"height:0px;color:rgb(255,255,255);"></div> </span></div> =20=20 </div></div></blockquote></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br clear=3D"= all"><br>-- <br></div><div class=3D"m_-2541598086365472433m_-12841726164745= 59501gmail_signature" data=3D"https://ci4.googleusercontent.com/proxy/CpYzk= cDKjPf-NqFCSu4GBqoQ_5P1dDkfTMWPGDqglo-e-uanL4gIS02e2U0=3Ds0-d-e1-ft#http://= gmail_signature">Alexandre</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"> </div></div></div></div> <p></p> </div><div><div class=3D"m_-2541598086365472433h5"> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></div><p></p> </div><div><div class=3D"h5"> =20=20=20=20=20 =20=20=20=20 <div style=3D"color:#fff;height:0;"></div> </div> =20=20 </div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br= ><div class=3D"gmail_signature" data=3D"gmail_signature">Alexandre</div> </div> </p> </div> =20=20=20=20=20 <!--~-|**|PrettyHtmlStart|**|-~--> <div style=3D"color: #fff; 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