Re: [etoys-dev] About Skeleton

Hi,

I uploaded to the inbox a version of Skeleton with a few changes of mine
that allows you to use a spreadsheet just as you would use mine to
import/export data and iterate over its contents.

I also commited a version of the CSV package, which I use to do the
importing. However, I didn't remember to look at the license of the package
before clicking commit and now that I did, I see it doesn't specify MIT, so
I'll ask the author about it (please forgive me and remove the commit if it
can be a problem).

Anyway, if you can please tell me what you think.

Cheers,
Richo

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 7:28 PM, karl ramberg <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Randy Caton <rcaton-aUQ/[email protected]> wrote:
> > I like the spreadsheet that Ricardo created because it is simple and
> basic
> > and allows I/O. It leaves more for learners to create. Couldn't the
> > functions already in etoys be used in the cells? Does Skeleton allow
> plots?
> > If so, then what about Ricardo's graphs? I'd like to see them in etoys
> > also.
> > Randy
>
> Hi
> I think it is possible to make all these graphs out of skeleton.
> From what I see is Skeleton a extension to the way we script and
> visualize in Etoys,
> It seems to have a thought out model.
>
>
> Only working with it and managing the code will tell if it something
> we find useful and worth while.
>
> Karl
>
>
> >
> > Randall Caton
> > 41596 Bald Eagle Drive
> > Bigfork, MN 56628
> > 218-832-3490
> > http://www.pcs.cnu.edu/~rcaton
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > On Oct 11, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Ricardo Moran <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:20 AM, Bert Freudenberg <[email protected]
> >
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> On 11.10.2011, at 14:34, Ricardo Moran wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > The squeak list is currently discussing about a spreadsheet morph, and
> >> > that just reminded me about how cool is Skeleton actually. So I'm
> wondering
> >> > why it is not in Etoys? I found an old discussion stating that it
> could be a
> >> > nice extension to Etoys but the biggest issue being the slow loading
> of
> >> > external code. I have to agree with that being a problem but I think
> we
> >> > might reconsider just include it in the image as with Dr Geo.
> >> >
> >> > I know we already have a bloated image full of half finished projects
> >> > but from what I briefly tested Skeleton seems to work out of the box.
> And it
> >> > doesn't add a *huge* amount of new code. See this simple comparison
> with
> >> > DrGeo:
> >> >
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') systemCategories size. 2
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') classes size. 38
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') methods size. 654
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'Skeleton') linesOfCode. 4765
> >> >
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') systemCategories size. 10
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') classes size. 214
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') methods size.  1863
> >> > (PackageInfo named: 'DrGeoII') linesOfCode.  17154
> >> >
> >> > Another issue, I guess, is that if Skeleton gets included someone will
> >> > have to maintain it, but from what I've seen the latest version dates
> from
> >> > 2006 and it still works today. So maybe it won't be that big of an
> issue.
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, if you want to test it:
> >> > http://www.languagegame.org:8080/ggame/11.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Richo
> >>
> >> How does it compare to the data table thing you did in your GSoC
> project?
> >
> > My data table serves the only purpose of importing/exporting CSV files,
> but
> > not much else, whereas Skeleton is a proper spreadsheet, it supports
> > functions, and is well integrated with etoys via drag and drop of tiles.
> >
> >>
> >> Would be nice to have only one, not two table-like objects.
> >
> > I agree, but since my table is not integrated anyway, I vote for
> integrating
> > Skeleton which is much better than what I did. And if we want the I/O of
> csv
> > files, I could find the way of adapting Skeleton. It shouldn't be that
> > difficult, I suppose.
> > Cheers,
> > Richo
> >
> >>
> >> - Bert -
> >>
> >>
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