RE: VM images and working in the VM image

Oh?  My blog: http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/blog

runs on an image, as do all the others hosted there:

http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/userblogs

Any arbitrary application server for Java you pick is going to chew 
resources as well; claiming that the image is some kind of resource 
hog is just silly.  Running a Smalltalk image w/o the GUI is fairly 
easy to do (at least using the flavor I use) - and having the 
compiler present allows me to add patches (including ones that change 
the shape of objects in memory) as the image runs - I don't have to 
play the "take it down, update, bring it up" game.

To build my runtime I start with a base image, and start with a 
command line like this:

visual baseImage.im -filein startupScript.st - nogui

Where startupScript.st has Smalltalk code that loads in the 
components I need to run, and configures the system for runtime.

>Case in point: ST's notion of the IDE-in-the-image is pretty lame when
>looking to deploy an image within a "headless" environment. Is there another
>approach when trying to build a server? Surely when running Seaside, for
>example, I don't want or need the overhead of the IDE hanging around.... It
>might be useful in certain scenarios, but most of the time, it's just going
>to be useless overhead....
>
>I recognize that it's probably impossible to summarize the ST philosophy
>down into a single email of reasonable proportions, and of course it's up to
>Richard to go read more about the ST philosophy if he wants to "get" ST in
>any reasonable sense. But it's not too much to ask, I don't think, to answer
>in single-sentence form the specific issues being raised--plus, that way,
>it's in the archives for others to discover later when they come to ST with
>their own questions.
>
>Ted Neward
>Java, .NET, XML Services
>Consulting, Teaching, Speaking, Writing
>http://www.tedneward.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [email protected] [mailto:strongtalk-
> > [email protected]] On Behalf Of tim Rowledge
> > Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:50 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: VM images and working in the VM image
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12-May-07, at 2:24 PM, Richard wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Coming from a background of C++, Ruby and Java I'm used the idea that
> > > you program in an IDE and then you output a Jar
> > That imply isn't the way Smalltalk works Richard. It sounds as if you
> > would gain a lot by reading up on how Smalltalk works and how it is
> > very different to old ways of doing things.
> >
> > Try  Smalltalk Central (http://www.smalltalk-central.com/
> > showDocument.ssp?section=Articles&name=Documentation), http://
> > www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks.html etc.
> >
> > Basically we just don't do dead code. As one wag put it "source code
> > in files? How quaint."
> >
> >
> > tim
> > --
> > tim Rowledge; [email protected]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> > There can never be a computer language in which you cannot write a
> > bad program.
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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>
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James Robertson, Product Manager, Cincom Smalltalk
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