RE: VM images and working in the VM image

With all due respect, Tim, that's a lame answer. Richard's got some good
issues regarding the "image" construct in Smalltalk, and simply saying,
"Dude, that's not how we do things around here" is not only totally
unhelpful as an answer, but also doesn't address the concerns he's raising
nor how the ST community might address those concerns.

Case in point: ST's notion of the IDE-in-the-image is pretty lame when
looking to deploy an image within a "headless" environment. Is there another
approach when trying to build a server? Surely when running Seaside, for
example, I don't want or need the overhead of the IDE hanging around.... It
might be useful in certain scenarios, but most of the time, it's just going
to be useless overhead....

I recognize that it's probably impossible to summarize the ST philosophy
down into a single email of reasonable proportions, and of course it's up to
Richard to go read more about the ST philosophy if he wants to "get" ST in
any reasonable sense. But it's not too much to ask, I don't think, to answer
in single-sentence form the specific issues being raised--plus, that way,
it's in the archives for others to discover later when they come to ST with
their own questions.

Ted Neward
Java, .NET, XML Services
Consulting, Teaching, Speaking, Writing
http://www.tedneward.com

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> [email protected]] On Behalf Of tim Rowledge
> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 2:50 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: VM images and working in the VM image
> 
> 
> 
> On 12-May-07, at 2:24 PM, Richard wrote:
> 
> >
> > Coming from a background of C++, Ruby and Java I'm used the idea that
> > you program in an IDE and then you output a Jar
> That imply isn't the way Smalltalk works Richard. It sounds as if you
> would gain a lot by reading up on how Smalltalk works and how it is
> very different to old ways of doing things.
> 
> Try  Smalltalk Central (http://www.smalltalk-central.com/
> showDocument.ssp?section=Articles&name=Documentation), http://
> www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks.html etc.
> 
> Basically we just don't do dead code. As one wag put it "source code
> in files? How quaint."
> 
> 
> tim
> --
> tim Rowledge; [email protected]; http://www.rowledge.org/tim
> There can never be a computer language in which you cannot write a
> bad program.
> 
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