Re: VW 9.0 and the Mac M1?

I agree with my old friend Charles Monteiro, as I usually do.

Cincom's "policy" means the PUL people have to work with a version that's
five years old, and a few months from going out of support.
Cincom's "policy" means that if you're running a recent version of OSX, you
can't work with it at all.

Some policy.



On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:52 PM Charles Monteiro <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Cincom's policy does not foster adoption , hell it doesn't even really
> permit for exposure.
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> You can't expect folks that become curious about Smalltalk to play with
> Pharo or one of the other "variants" and then later abandon them when they
> are ready to go "big time" and pay out the royalties, of  course if they
> have built something substantial in Pharo it would be naive to think that
> one can just flip a switch and go to VW. So now the user is presented not
> only with the cost of the revenue sharing which they may over all think in
> the long term is reasonable enough but also with the time and cost of a
> port from Pharo to VW nevermind the time to market impact.
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> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 12:17 PM Karsten Kusche <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> I recently noticed that Arden Thomas’ talk about VisualWorks 9.1 at the
>> UK Smalltalk User Group was released as video on Vimeo:
>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://vimeo.com/651735032__;!!DZ3fjg!qF433xGbREjouRo9zF-TDr5orDUpAkp_Skmps50kEjtUyuvCzaRpXrAh1KgOG8KUFoDl9Fg$ 
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>> The question about PUL releases was raised there too. Skip forward to
>> 1h21m30s in order to hear the conversation that followed (around 1h30m this
>> conversation ended), so you’ll find an in-depth 10 minute answer there.
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>> To summarise that in my own words: Due to export restrictions not all of
>> Cincom’s paying customers were able to receive the 9.0 update even now.
>> It’s Cincom’s policy is that the PUL version is only available once all
>> paying customers have had access to the commercial release.
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>> Kind Regards
>> Karsten
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>> Am 8. Dezember 2021 um 18:03:35, [email protected] (
>> [email protected]) schrieb:
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>> Amen
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>> The odd thing is that PUL should equal current release  minus stuff we
>> don’t want you to have cuz we think you are going to run with it and not
>> pay us stuff, but what I don’t get is what is so hard about that ? or how
>> air tight does it need to be ?
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>> I remember James Robertson (RIP)  voicing issues with the changes to the
>> PUL program that were being contemplated at the time, maybe he understood
>> where that was headed and how contrary to fostering adoption it would be.
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>> The PUL is indeed DEAD, just change it to a subscription model of for
>> example less than 100.00 bucks per year with a cap on revenues before it
>> crosses into the royalty % of revenue current model.
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>> This will seed small biz , single to small shop entrepreneurs.
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>> Drop spending cycles on maintaining a PUL for which its obvious does not
>> have too many cycles anymore dedicated to it.
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>> *From:* Thomas Sattler <[email protected]>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 08, 2021 11:06 AM
>> *To:* Steffen Märcker <[email protected]>
>> *Cc:* [email protected]
>> *Subject:* Re: [vwnc] VW 9.0 and the Mac M1?
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>> The PUL is still 8.3, which is about five years old.
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>> Since 8.3 came out, these versions have been released:
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>> 8.3.1
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>> 8.3.2
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>> 9.0.0
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>> 9.0.1
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>> 9.1.0
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>> 9.1.1
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>> So the PUL program is SIX VERSIONS OLD.  My understanding of Cincom's
>> support model, is that once 9.2 is released next Spring, the 8.3 series
>> will go out of support.  It should be obvious to anyone who is looking at
>> this, that the PUL program is either dead, or close to it.  Either way, PUL
>> is not a priority for them any more.  "If you want to try VW, you can use
>> this soon to be unsupported version that's five years old.  You can't have
>> anything newer than that."  Can you imagine ANY software company saying
>> that?  Five years is an eternity in the software field.
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>> --Tom
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>> On Wed, Dec 8, 2021 at 2:39 AM Steffen Märcker <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Hi!
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>> Customer release or PUL? The latter is still not supporting newer MacOS
>> versions and Cincom did not provide any updates on when a new PUL version
>> will be released. If your's is not PUL, I'd like to ask how it runs on
>> recent Intel Macs in general.
>>
>> Best,
>> Steffen
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