Re: High DPI support / Wayland support

Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users <[email protected]> Mon, 4 May 2026 02:36:41 +0200
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    <p>I fully agree with you that Wayland sucks and is a bad protocol
      but the problem is that Wayland is going to stay and for certain
      things (like HDR monitor support in game development) Wayland is
      going to be the only solution since X11 refuses to add this
      support. So sooner or later FOX is going to have the problem that,
      although it sucks, Wayland will be what you have to support in
      addition to X11, as sad as it is.</p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.05.26 um 12:09 AM schrieb Roland=

      Hughes via Foxgui-users:<br>
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      <p>Per Google's AI</p>
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 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 12px 0px 16px; text-decoratio=
n: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">
          <li class=3D"Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
            data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-hveid=3D"CAMQAQ" data-processed=3D"true=
"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10=
);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration=
: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span
              class=3D"T286Pc" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
              data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong
                class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Linux
                Mint</strong>: Known for its conservative approach, Mint
              22 continues to use <strong class=3D"Yjhzub"
                data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"tr=
ue"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">X11
                (Cinnamon)</strong> as its default. While they have
              introduced an experimental Wayland session, the
              development team prioritizes the stability of X11 for its
              flagship experience.</span></li>
          <li class=3D"Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
            data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-hveid=3D"CAMQAg" data-processed=3D"true=
"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10=
);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration=
: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span
              class=3D"T286Pc" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
              data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong
                class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Slackware
                &amp; CRUX</strong>: These "minimalist" and veteran
              distributions are often cited as the most likely to
              maintain X11 support indefinitely due to their philosophy
              of sticking with proven, traditional Unix-like
              technologies.</span></li>
          <li class=3D"Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
            data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-hveid=3D"CAMQAw" data-processed=3D"true=
"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10=
);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration=
: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span
              class=3D"T286Pc" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
              data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong
                class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Mageia</strong>:
              Mageia 9 still ships with <strong class=3D"Yjhzub"
                data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"tr=
ue"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">KDE
                Plasma 5</strong> and <strong class=3D"Yjhzub"
                data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"tr=
ue"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">X11</strong>
              as the out-of-the-box experience.</span></li>
          <li class=3D"Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
            data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-hveid=3D"CAMQBA" data-processed=3D"true=
"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10=
);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration=
: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span
              class=3D"T286Pc" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
              data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong
                class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Debian
                (Stable)</strong>: While Debian 12 (Bookworm) uses
              Wayland by default for GNOME, it maintains robust X11
              support for all environments. Users can expect X11 to
              remain available in Debian's stable repositories through
              approximately 2030=E2=80=932032 due to long-term support cy=
cles.</span></li>
          <li class=3D"Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
            data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-hveid=3D"CAMQBQ" data-processed=3D"true=
"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10=
);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration=
: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span
              class=3D"T286Pc" data-sfc-cp=3D"" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
              data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong
                class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Arch
                Linux</strong>: Because Arch is user-configured, it does
              not force a default; it remains a top choice for users who
              want to manually set up and stay on X11 environments like
              <strong class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c" data-sfc-cb=3D=
""
                data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">i3wm</strong>
              or <strong class=3D"Yjhzub" data-sfc-root=3D"c"
                data-sfc-cb=3D"" data-processed=3D"true"
data-copy-service-computed-style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;,=
 Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0p=
x; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"
style=3D"font-family: &quot;Google Sans&quot;, Roboto, Arial, sans-serif;=
 font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; b=
order-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Openbox</strong>.</span><span>
              [<a
href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/1l16i2p/will_linux_mi=
nt_remain_with_x11_or_lean_to_wayland/"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">1</a>, <a
                href=3D"https://www.linuxteck.com/x11-vs-wayland/"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">2</a>, <a
href=3D"https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-mint-finally-fixed-its-wayland-pr=
oblem-game-changer/"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">3</a>, <a
href=3D"https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-distributions-5/wh=
ich-distro-will-always-keep-x11-and-not-replace-it-by-wayland-4175608526/=
"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">4</a>, <a
href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1ed7xmz/does_a_dist=
ro_with_kde_on_x11_exist/"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">5</a>, <a
                href=3D"https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">6</a>, <a
href=3D"https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1pgp4p6/desktop_environm=
ent_for_incoming_years_x11/"
                moz-do-not-send=3D"true">7</a>]</span></li>
        </ul>
      </div>
      <p>The problem with Wayland . . . is it sucks. They tried for "One
        Ring To Rule Them All" without watching the Lord of the Rings
        movies to see how that turned out. There was absolutely no
        reason to force their virtual reality N-dimensional vision onto
        a desktop. You can't even save an application window position
        and reopen it in the same place. People been used to that since
        GUI DOS (Windows prior to NT).</p>
      <p>As an embedded systems person in the medical device world I can
        tell you that XWayland sh*t don't work! It's a rental car
        company's definition of "full sized."</p>
      <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 5/3/26 8:57 AM, Enno Rehling
        wrote:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote type=3D"cite"
cite=3D"mid:[email protected]=
ail.com">
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          <div>Since there's been renewed discussion about the future of
            X11 (on the Mac and elsewhere), it might be time to revisit
            the question of FOX on Wayland? Pretty much all the major
            Linux distros seem to be abandoning X11 desktops, or at
            least adopting a Wayland-First philosophy.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Enno.</div>
        </div>
        <br>
        <div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container">
          <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 at 18:=
15,
            Roland Pl=C3=BCss via Foxgui-users &lt;<a
              href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"
              moz-do-not-send=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext">fo=
[email protected]</a>&gt;
            wrote:<br>
          </div>
          <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"
style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">What
            are the plans for supporting high DPI displays (4k) displays
            and <br>
            wayland?<br>
            <br>
            I've used FOX right now on X11 with a regular 1980 monitor
            but now I <br>
            want to also support it on a newer 4k monitor with HDR
            support. 4k <br>
            requires global scaling to be respected (typically 150-200%
            for 4k). HDR <br>
            requires wayland to be used. It would be nice to know if
            these features <br>
            are planed for the future or not.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
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