Re: High DPI support / Wayland support
Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users <[email protected]> Mon, 4 May 2026 09:17:51 -0500
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============8119801978448175763== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------63yaDc47wJ7wz6Yn0tLMo70M" Content-Language: en-US This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------63yaDc47wJ7wz6Yn0tLMo70M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 😂 You forgot, relentless surveillance and trying to lock you into "their store." On 5/4/2026 8:28 AM, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users wrote: > > You might have to implement the universe but at least you don't get > pre-packaged crap as Windows/MacOS is forcing down your throat. > > > Am 04.05.26 um 12:24 PM schrieb Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users: >> >> Really depends on how many distros add XLibre to their repos. Several >> are having that very conversation now. As to HDPI >> >> https://www.freelists.org/post/xlibre/A-xlibre-windows-manager,6 >> >> https://x.com/valigo/status/2043095377260482571 >> >> Been some minor issues with Nvidia >> >> https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/support-for-xlibre/336200/11 >> >> Odd since Nvidia usually has major issues. They have discussions on >> per monitor DPI >> >> https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/208 >> >> Ah, here is the post (too bad English not the poster's native language) >> >> https://en.ubunlog.com/xlibre-distros-2026/ >> >> X.org isn't maintaining X11. Yes, the sphincter in charge of XLibre >> uses Agile/DevOps so by definition pushes broken code, but X.org >> isn't going forward and Wayland is a hand polished turd. >> >> Many projects, both commercial and Open-Source, have demanded that >> the Wayland fools *FIX* XWayland so it is 100% X11 compatible. Yes, >> some desktops have went "pure Wayland" and they are losing users. >> >> Just my 0.0002 cents. >> >> Having said that, for my LsCs, LsX, and BasisDoctrina projects, I'm >> in the process of rebasing to SDL3 for low level platform sh*t so the >> application framework doesn't have to carry the baggage Qt, >> CopperSpice, and others do. Baggage that started with OS/2. >> >> I don't have any customers/client/projects currently using Fox but I >> respect how the library side-stepped platform specific headers and >> such. That said, one cannot have Serial Ports, D-Bus, and other low >> level things when they side step the OS specific stuff. 😲 That's >> kinda where my embedded world exists. >> >> Personally I think the Fox project should just kick back and wait to >> see who wins the pissing contest. >> >> Either XWayland will be fixed to be 100% X11 as industry has demanded >> __OR__ XLibre, with or without the sphincter, will become the new >> standard. >> >> MAC/Apple users will have to nut-up. They will have to test the >> automated MAC/Apple builds of the XLibre project and make fixes to >> the source when something doesn't work. The XLibre project does not >> have Apple hardware (no great sin there) and nobody currently >> involved with the project is a fan of Apple (highly commendable really). >> >> Per the mailing list and discussion area, they do actually have a >> MAC/Apple build that successfully builds. There is no one to test or >> debug it. Welcome to the true Linux experience. You have to build the >> universe when you arrive. It doesn't come pre-packaged. >> >> On 5/3/2026 7:36 PM, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users wrote: >>> >>> I fully agree with you that Wayland sucks and is a bad protocol but >>> the problem is that Wayland is going to stay and for certain things >>> (like HDR monitor support in game development) Wayland is going to >>> be the only solution since X11 refuses to add this support. So >>> sooner or later FOX is going to have the problem that, although it >>> sucks, Wayland will be what you have to support in addition to X11, >>> as sad as it is. >>> >>> Am 04.05.26 um 12:09 AM schrieb Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users: >>>> >>>> Per Google's AI >>>> >>>> While many major Linux distributions are shifting to *Wayland* as >>>> the default, several remain committed to *X11* for the foreseeable >>>> future, either by default or as a fully supported fallback.[1 >>>> <https://goteleport.com/blog/x11-forwarding/>, 2 >>>> <https://oneuptime.com/blog/post/2026-03-02-setup-wayland-vs-x11-display-server-ubuntu/view>, >>>> 3 <https://rci.stonybrook.edu/HPC/docs/accounts/x11-forwarding>, 4 >>>> <https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mutter-Optional-XWayland>, 5 >>>> <https://www.xda-developers.com/phoenix-keep-x-server-ball-rolling/>] >>>> Distributions Defaulting to or Prioritizing X11[1 >>>> <https://thenewstack.io/ubuntu-25-10-scraps-x11-for-wayland-a-solid-step-forward/>] >>>> >>>> * *Linux Mint*: Known for its conservative approach, Mint 22 >>>> continues to use *X11 (Cinnamon)* as its default. While they >>>> have introduced an experimental Wayland session, the >>>> development team prioritizes the stability of X11 for its >>>> flagship experience. >>>> * *Slackware & CRUX*: These "minimalist" and veteran >>>> distributions are often cited as the most likely to maintain >>>> X11 support indefinitely due to their philosophy of sticking >>>> with proven, traditional Unix-like technologies. >>>> * *Mageia*: Mageia 9 still ships with *KDE Plasma 5* and *X11* as >>>> the out-of-the-box experience. >>>> * *Debian (Stable)*: While Debian 12 (Bookworm) uses Wayland by >>>> default for GNOME, it maintains robust X11 support for all >>>> environments. Users can expect X11 to remain available in >>>> Debian's stable repositories through approximately 2030–2032 >>>> due to long-term support cycles. >>>> * *Arch Linux*: Because Arch is user-configured, it does not >>>> force a default; it remains a top choice for users who want to >>>> manually set up and stay on X11 environments like *i3wm* or >>>> *Openbox*.[1 >>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/1l16i2p/will_linux_mint_remain_with_x11_or_lean_to_wayland/>, >>>> 2 <https://www.linuxteck.com/x11-vs-wayland/>, 3 >>>> <https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-mint-finally-fixed-its-wayland-problem-game-changer/>, >>>> 4 >>>> <https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-distributions-5/which-distro-will-always-keep-x11-and-not-replace-it-by-wayland-4175608526/>, >>>> 5 >>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1ed7xmz/does_a_distro_with_kde_on_x11_exist/>, >>>> 6 <https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland>, 7 >>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1pgp4p6/desktop_environment_for_incoming_years_x11/>] >>>> >>>> The problem with Wayland . . . is it sucks. They tried for "One >>>> Ring To Rule Them All" without watching the Lord of the Rings >>>> movies to see how that turned out. There was absolutely no reason >>>> to force their virtual reality N-dimensional vision onto a desktop. >>>> You can't even save an application window position and reopen it in >>>> the same place. People been used to that since GUI DOS (Windows >>>> prior to NT). >>>> >>>> As an embedded systems person in the medical device world I can >>>> tell you that XWayland sh*t don't work! It's a rental car company's >>>> definition of "full sized." >>>> >>>> On 5/3/26 8:57 AM, Enno Rehling wrote: >>>>> Since there's been renewed discussion about the future of X11 (on >>>>> the Mac and elsewhere), it might be time to revisit the question >>>>> of FOX on Wayland? Pretty much all the major Linux distros seem to >>>>> be abandoning X11 desktops, or at least adopting a Wayland-First >>>>> philosophy. >>>>> >>>>> Enno. >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 at 18:15, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> What are the plans for supporting high DPI displays (4k) >>>>> displays and >>>>> wayland? >>>>> >>>>> I've used FOX right now on X11 with a regular 1980 monitor but >>>>> now I >>>>> want to also support it on a newer 4k monitor with HDR >>>>> support. 4k >>>>> requires global scaling to be respected (typically 150-200% >>>>> for 4k). HDR >>>>> requires wayland to be used. It would be nice to know if these >>>>> features >>>>> are planed for the future or not. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Foxgui-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Foxgui-users mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users >>>> -- >>>> Roland Hughes, President >>>> Logikal Solutions >>>> (630)-205-1593 (cell) >>>> https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com >>>> https://infiniteexposure.net >>>> https://johnsmith-book.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Foxgui-users mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Foxgui-users mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users >> -- >> Roland Hughes, President >> Logikal Solutions >> (630)-205-1593 (cell) >> https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com >> https://infiniteexposure.net >> https://johnsmith-book.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Foxgui-users mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Foxgui-users mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/foxgui-users -- Roland Hughes, President Logikal Solutions (630)-205-1593 (cell) https://theminimumyouneedtoknow.com https://infiniteexposure.net https://johnsmith-book.com --------------63yaDc47wJ7wz6Yn0tLMo70M Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <p>😂</p> <p>You forgot, relentless surveillance and trying to lock you into "their store."</p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/4/2026 8:28 AM, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <p>You might have to implement the universe but at least you don't get pre-packaged crap as Windows/MacOS is forcing down your throat.</p> <div class="moz-signature"> <div><br> </div> </div> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.05.26 um 12:24 PM schrieb Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <p>Really depends on how many distros add XLibre to their repos. Several are having that very conversation now. As to HDPI</p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.freelists.org/post/xlibre/A-xlibre-windows-manager,6" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.freelists.org/post/xlibre/A-xlibre-windows-manager,6</a></p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://x.com/valigo/status/2043095377260482571" moz-do-not-send="true">https://x.com/valigo/status/2043095377260482571</a></p> <p>Been some minor issues with Nvidia</p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/support-for-xlibre/336200/11" moz-do-not-send="true">https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/support-for-xlibre/336200/11</a></p> <p>Odd since Nvidia usually has major issues. They have discussions on per monitor DPI</p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/208" moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/208</a></p> <p>Ah, here is the post (too bad English not the poster's native language)</p> <p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.ubunlog.com/xlibre-distros-2026/" moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.ubunlog.com/xlibre-distros-2026/</a></p> <p>X.org isn't maintaining X11. Yes, the sphincter in charge of XLibre uses Agile/DevOps so by definition pushes broken code, but X.org isn't going forward and Wayland is a hand polished turd.</p> <p>Many projects, both commercial and Open-Source, have demanded that the Wayland fools <b>FIX</b> XWayland so it is 100% X11 compatible. Yes, some desktops have went "pure Wayland" and they are losing users.</p> <p>Just my 0.0002 cents.</p> <p>Having said that, for my LsCs, LsX, and BasisDoctrina projects, I'm in the process of rebasing to SDL3 for low level platform sh*t so the application framework doesn't have to carry the baggage Qt, CopperSpice, and others do. Baggage that started with OS/2.</p> <p>I don't have any customers/client/projects currently using Fox but I respect how the library side-stepped platform specific headers and such. That said, one cannot have Serial Ports, D-Bus, and other low level things when they side step the OS specific stuff. 😲 That's kinda where my embedded world exists.</p> <p>Personally I think the Fox project should just kick back and wait to see who wins the pissing contest. </p> <p>Either XWayland will be fixed to be 100% X11 as industry has demanded __OR__ XLibre, with or without the sphincter, will become the new standard.</p> <p>MAC/Apple users will have to nut-up. They will have to test the automated MAC/Apple builds of the XLibre project and make fixes to the source when something doesn't work. The XLibre project does not have Apple hardware (no great sin there) and nobody currently involved with the project is a fan of Apple (highly commendable really). </p> <p>Per the mailing list and discussion area, they do actually have a MAC/Apple build that successfully builds. There is no one to test or debug it. Welcome to the true Linux experience. You have to build the universe when you arrive. It doesn't come pre-packaged.</p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/3/2026 7:36 PM, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <p>I fully agree with you that Wayland sucks and is a bad protocol but the problem is that Wayland is going to stay and for certain things (like HDR monitor support in game development) Wayland is going to be the only solution since X11 refuses to add this support. So sooner or later FOX is going to have the problem that, although it sucks, Wayland will be what you have to support in addition to X11, as sad as it is.</p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.05.26 um 12:09 AM schrieb Roland Hughes via Foxgui-users:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:[email protected]"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <p>Per Google's AI</p> <div class="n6owBd awi2gc" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-hveid="CAEQAA" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 16px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 16px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span data-subtree="aimfl,mfl" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">While many major Linux distributions are shifting to </span><strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Wayland</strong> as the default, <mark class="HxTRcb" data-sfc-root="c" data-wiz-uids="kfbrgd_7m" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 500; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 500; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);">several remain committed to <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);">X11</strong> for the foreseeable future</mark>, either by default or as a fully supported fallback.<span> [<a href="https://goteleport.com/blog/x11-forwarding/" moz-do-not-send="true">1</a>, <a href="https://oneuptime.com/blog/post/2026-03-02-setup-wayland-vs-x11-display-server-ubuntu/view" moz-do-not-send="true">2</a>, <a href="https://rci.stonybrook.edu/HPC/docs/accounts/x11-forwarding" moz-do-not-send="true">3</a>, <a href="https://www.phoronix.com/news/Mutter-Optional-XWayland" moz-do-not-send="true">4</a>, <a href="https://www.xda-developers.com/phoenix-keep-x-server-ball-rolling/" moz-do-not-send="true">5</a>]</span></div> <div class="otQkpb" aria-level="3" role="heading" data-animation-nesting="" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 20px; font-weight: 600; margin: 24px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 20px; font-weight: 600; margin: 24px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(0, 29, 53);">Distributions Defaulting to or Prioritizing X11<span> [<a href="https://thenewstack.io/ubuntu-25-10-scraps-x11-for-wayland-a-solid-step-forward/" moz-do-not-send="true">1</a>]</span></div> <div data-bfc="" class="" data-ved="2ahUKEwjRu4Pdj56UAxWMgSsGHb__CbIQi4wTegQIAxAA" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"> <ul class="KsbFXc U6u95" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; 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font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Linux Mint</strong>: Known for its conservative approach, Mint 22 continues to use <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; 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While they have introduced an experimental Wayland session, the development team prioritizes the stability of X11 for its flagship experience.</span></li> <li class="Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-hveid="CAMQAg" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span class="T286Pc" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; 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font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span class="T286Pc" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Mageia</strong>: Mageia 9 still ships with <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">KDE Plasma 5</strong> and <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">X11</strong> as the out-of-the-box experience.</span></li> <li class="Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-hveid="CAMQBA" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span class="T286Pc" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Debian (Stable)</strong>: While Debian 12 (Bookworm) uses Wayland by default for GNOME, it maintains robust X11 support for all environments. Users can expect X11 to remain available in Debian's stable repositories through approximately 2030–2032 due to long-term support cycles.</span></li> <li class="Z1qcYe" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-hveid="CAMQBQ" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px 0px 12px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><span class="T286Pc" data-sfc-cp="" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 400; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);"><strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Arch Linux</strong>: Because Arch is user-configured, it does not force a default; it remains a top choice for users who want to manually set up and stay on X11 environments like <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">i3wm</strong> or <strong class="Yjhzub" data-sfc-root="c" data-sfc-cb="" data-processed="true" data-copy-service-computed-style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);" style="font-family: "Google Sans", Roboto, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; font-weight: 600; margin: 0px; text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 0px none rgb(10, 10, 10);">Openbox</strong>.</span><span> [<a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmint/comments/1l16i2p/will_linux_mint_remain_with_x11_or_lean_to_wayland/" moz-do-not-send="true">1</a>, <a href="https://www.linuxteck.com/x11-vs-wayland/" moz-do-not-send="true">2</a>, <a href="https://www.makeuseof.com/linux-mint-finally-fixed-its-wayland-problem-game-changer/" moz-do-not-send="true">3</a>, <a href="https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-distributions-5/which-distro-will-always-keep-x11-and-not-replace-it-by-wayland-4175608526/" moz-do-not-send="true">4</a>, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/linux4noobs/comments/1ed7xmz/does_a_distro_with_kde_on_x11_exist/" moz-do-not-send="true">5</a>, <a href="https://wiki.debian.org/Wayland" moz-do-not-send="true">6</a>, <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/debian/comments/1pgp4p6/desktop_environment_for_incoming_years_x11/" moz-do-not-send="true">7</a>]</span></li> </ul> </div> <p>The problem with Wayland . . . is it sucks. They tried for "One Ring To Rule Them All" without watching the Lord of the Rings movies to see how that turned out. There was absolutely no reason to force their virtual reality N-dimensional vision onto a desktop. You can't even save an application window position and reopen it in the same place. People been used to that since GUI DOS (Windows prior to NT).</p> <p>As an embedded systems person in the medical device world I can tell you that XWayland sh*t don't work! It's a rental car company's definition of "full sized."</p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/3/26 8:57 AM, Enno Rehling wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:CAF2+q6CXpY=zHhMs8ZUUnUPVG_ueAC6n-upfspgNSqfdCf2NDA@mail.gmail.com"> <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <div dir="ltr"> <div>Since there's been renewed discussion about the future of X11 (on the Mac and elsewhere), it might be time to revisit the question of FOX on Wayland? Pretty much all the major Linux distros seem to be abandoning X11 desktops, or at least adopting a Wayland-First philosophy.</div> <div><br> </div> <div>Enno.</div> </div> <br> <div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"> <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 3 Dec 2025 at 18:15, Roland Plüss via Foxgui-users <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">What are the plans for supporting high DPI displays (4k) displays and <br> wayland?<br> <br> I've used FOX right now on X11 with a regular 1980 monitor but now I <br> want to also support it on a newer 4k monitor with HDR support. 4k <br> requires global scaling to be respected (typically 150-200% for 4k). HDR <br> requires wayland to be used. 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