Re: Claude AI code audit of GNUstep core stack — 150 fixes, 12 perf optimizations, all available for upstream
richard <[email protected]> Sun, 12 Jul 2026 06:51:08 +0100
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Thanks, you saved me the effort of pointing out that the 'big plagiarism =
machine' label is not a thing: nothing more than misunderstanding (exc=
ept when it's deliberate propaganda), with no real basis in reality.
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There are certainly issues with big companies using copyright material wi=
thout permission, but they are far more nuanced and nothing like the labe=
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> On 11 Jul 2026 at 23:58, Gregory Casamento <greg.casamento=40gmail.com=
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> I meant to add what I am saying below as a postscript.
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> On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 2:36=E2=80=AFPM Gregory Casamento <greg.casame=
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> > On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 8:43=E2=80=AFAM Riccardo Mottola <riccardo.=
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> > > =46oreword 1: when for brevity I am referring to AI, I am referrin=
g to the
> > > latest trend of the =22big plagiarism machine=22 to cite David (or=
I prefer
> > > Chomsky's wording =22High Tech Plagiarism=22): large systems that =
suck code
> > > from everywhere, closed and open source, that scavenge every avail=
able
> > > resource and site (including our own) and digest everything. Well =
aware
> > > that AI could be local, integrated in Lisp, neural networks in chi=
ps and
> > > a lot of other usages of AI and Neural Networks all branded of =22=
AI=22.
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> Here's the thing... Chomsky's assessment demonstrates a fundamental mi=
sunderstanding of how modern AI systems operate. Also, anyone who es=
pouses this position displays a similar misunderstanding; here's why:
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> Why the =22Plagiarism=22 Label =46ails
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> Novel Output: AI generates entirely original combinations of words r=
ather than copying existing text.
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> Dynamic Synthesis: Large language models merge thousands of disparat=
e concepts to create unique insights.
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> Lossless Storage Myth: Models do not store database copies of their =
training data to copy from.
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> Lossy Compression: The AI internalizes abstract concepts and semanti=
c rules rather than specific phrases.
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> If all the LLM represents is a statistical prediction machine, then I c=
ould understand your position on this point, but it isn't. It utilizes=
a neural network to support the above functionality. This means it ca=
n combine concepts it is exposed to in novel ways, so again.
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> The following citations support my argument:
> Mitchell, M., & Wu, X. (2026). LLMs, reasoning and plagiarism. =
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> Liberman, M. (2026). Chomsky and the origins of AI research. =
Language Log. https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/=3Fp=3D72547
> Del=C3=A9tang, G. (2023). What Noam Chomsky gets wrong about AI. M=
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> Gregory Casamento
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<div id=3D=22edo-message=22><div><div style=3D=22font-size:16px=22>Thanks=
, you saved me the effort of pointing out that the 'big plagiarism machin=
e' label is not a thing: nothing more than misunderstanding (except=
when it's deliberate propaganda), with no real basis in reality.</div><d=
iv style=3D=22font-size:16px=22><br></div><div style=3D=22font-size:16px=22=
>There are certainly issues with big companies using copyright material w=
ithout permission, but they are far more nuanced and nothing like the lab=
el implies.</div><div style=3D=22font-size:16px=22><br></div><div style=3D=
=22font-size:16px=22><br></div><div id=3D=22edo-signature=22></div></div>=
</div><div id=3D=22edo-original=22><div><blockquote type=3D=22cite=22 sty=
le=3D=22margin: 1ex 0 0 0 =21important; border-left: 1px =23ccc solid =21=
important; padding-left: 0.4ex =21important;=22><div id=3D=22edo-meta=22>=
On 11 Jul 2026 at 23:58, Gregory Casamento <<a href=3D=22mailto:greg.c=
asamento=40gmail.com=22>greg.casamento=40gmail.com</a>> wrote: <br><br=
></div><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><div class=3D=22gmail=5F=
default=22 style=3D=22=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22>Riccardo,</font></=
div><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fdefault=22 style=3D=22=22><font face=3D=22mon=
ospace=22><br></font></div><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fdefault=22 style=3D=22=
=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22>I meant to add what I am saying below as=
a postscript.</font></div></div><br><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote gmail=5F=
quote=5Fcontainer=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fattr=22>On S=
at, Jul 11, 2026 at 2:36=E2=80=AFPM Gregory Casamento <<a href=3D=22ma=
ilto:greg.casamento=40gmail.com=22>greg.casamento=40gmail.com</a>> wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=22=
><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><div style=3D=22font-family:mo=
nospace,monospace=22><span style=3D=22font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-se=
rif;background-color:transparent=22>On Sat, Jul 11, 2026 at 8:43=E2=80=AF=
AM Riccardo Mottola <</span><a href=3D=22mailto:riccardo.mottola=40lib=
ero.it=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22 style=3D=22font-family:Arial,Helvetica,=
sans-serif;background-color:transparent=22>riccardo.mottola=40libero.it</=
a><span style=3D=22font-family:Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;background-colo=
r:transparent=22>> wrote:</span></div></div><div class=3D=22gmail=5Fqu=
ote=22><blockquote class=3D=22gmail=5Fquote=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px =
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex=22>Hi,<=
br>
<br>
=46oreword 1: when for brevity I am referring to AI, I am referring to th=
e <br>
latest trend of the =22big plagiarism machine=22 to cite David (or I pref=
er <br>
Chomsky's wording =22High Tech Plagiarism=22): large systems that suck co=
de <br>
from everywhere, closed and open source, that scavenge every available <b=
r>
resource and site (including our own) and digest everything. Well aware <=
br>
that AI could be local, integrated in Lisp, neural networks in chips and =
<br>
a lot of other usages of AI and Neural Networks all branded of =22AI=22.<=
br>
<br></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div class=3D=22=
gmail=5Fdefault=22 style=3D=22font-family:monospace,monospace=22>Here's t=
he thing... Chomsky's assessment demonstrates a fundamental misunderstand=
ing of how modern AI systems operate. Also, <b>anyone</b> who espou=
ses this position displays a similar misunderstanding; here's why:</div><=
div class=3D=22gmail=5Fdefault=22 style=3D=22=22><div class=3D=22gmail-=46=
sg96=22 style=3D=22font-family:"Google Sans",Roboto,Arial,sans-=
serif;font-size:14px;margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22></d=
iv><div class=3D=22gmail-otQkpb=22 role=3D=22heading=22 style=3D=22margin=
:24px 0px 12px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><font face=3D=22mono=
space=22 style=3D=22=22>Why the =22Plagiarism=22 Label =46ails</font></di=
v><ul class=3D=22gmail-Ksb=46Xc gmail-U6u95=22 style=3D=22margin:12px 0px=
16px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><li class=3D=22gmail-Z1qcYe=22=
style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 12px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><sp=
an class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb=
(230,232,240)=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22><span class=3D=22gmail-Yjhz=
ub=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>Novel O=
utput:</span> AI generates entirely original combinations of words rather=
than copying existing text.</font></span></li><li class=3D=22gmail-Z1qcY=
e=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 12px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22=
><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px=
rgb(230,232,240)=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22><span class=3D=22gmail-=
Yjhzub=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>Dyn=
amic Synthesis:</span> Large language models merge thousands of disparate=
concepts to create unique insights.</font></span></li><li class=3D=22gma=
il-Z1qcYe=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 12px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232=
,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bo=
ttom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22><span class=3D=22=
gmail-Yjhzub=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22=
>Lossless Storage Myth:</span> Models do not store database copies of the=
ir training data to copy from.</font></span></li><li class=3D=22gmail-Z1q=
cYe=22 style=3D=22margin:0px 0px 12px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22=
><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px=
rgb(230,232,240)=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22 style=3D=22=22><span cl=
ass=3D=22gmail-Yjhzub=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,=
232,240)=22>Lossy Compression:</span> The AI internalizes abstract concep=
ts and semantic rules rather than specific phrases.</font></span></li></u=
l><div><font face=3D=22monospace=22>If all the LLM represents is a statis=
tical prediction machine, then I could understand your position on this p=
oint, but it isn't. It utilizes a neural network to support the abo=
ve functionality. This means it can combine concepts it is exposed =
to in novel ways, so again.</font></div><div><font face=3D=22monospace=22=
><br></font></div><div><font face=3D=22monospace=22>The following citatio=
ns support my argument:<br><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22ma=
rgin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22margin:0p=
x;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22margin:0px;borde=
r-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmail-=22 style=3D=22ma=
rgin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmail-T28=
6Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>Mitche=
ll, M.</span></span></span></span>, & Wu, X. (2026). </span><em class=
=3D=22eujQNb=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22=
>LLMs, reasoning and plagiarism</em><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 styl=
e=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>. <span class=3D=22=
gmail-=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><a =
class=3D=22gmail-H23r4e=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22 rel=3D=22noopener=22 h=
ref=3D=22https://arxiv.org/html/2502.16487v1=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;tex=
t-decoration:underline 1px rgb(153,195,255);border-bottom:0px rgb(153,195=
,255)=22>arXiv</a></span>. </span><span class=3D=22gmail-=22 style=3D=22m=
argin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><a class=3D=22gmail-H23r4=
e=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22 rel=3D=22noopener=22 href=3D=22https://arxiv=
.org/html/2601.02380v5=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoration:underline=
1px rgb(153,195,255);border-bottom:0px rgb(153,195,255)=22>https://arxiv=
.org/html/2601.02380v5</a></span></font></div><div><font face=3D=22monosp=
ace=22><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bott=
om:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><u class=3D=22gmail-wfWfIf gmail-fxyaSe=22 sty=
le=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoration:underline dotted;border-bottom:0px rgb=
(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoration:none;border-=
bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoratio=
n:none;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmail-jAOkJ=
c=22 tabindex=3D=220=22 role=3D=22button=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;text-de=
coration:none;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmai=
l-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoration:none;border-bottom:0px =
rgb(230,232,240)=22>Liberman, M.</span></span></span></span></u> (2026). =
Chomsky and the origins of AI research. </span><em class=3D=22eujQNb=22 s=
tyle=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>Language Log</=
em>. <span class=3D=22gmail-=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px r=
gb(230,232,240)=22><a class=3D=22gmail-H23r4e=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22 =
rel=3D=22noopener=22 href=3D=22https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/=3Fp=
=3D72547=22 aria-label=3D=22https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/=3Fp=3D=
72547. Link preview. Site: Language Log. Title: Chomsky and the origins o=
f AI research - Language Log. URL: https://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/=
=3Fp=3D72547.=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;text-decoration:underline 1px rgb(=
153,195,255);border-bottom:0px rgb(153,195,255)=22>https://languagelog.ld=
c.upenn.edu/nll/=3Fp=3D72547</a><br><span class=3D=22gmail-T286Pc=22 styl=
e=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22=
margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span style=3D=22margin:=
0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22gmail-=22 styl=
e=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><span class=3D=22=
gmail-T286Pc=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22=
>Del=C3=A9tang, G.</span></span></span></span> (2023). </span><em class=3D=
=22eujQNb=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22>=
What Noam Chomsky gets wrong about AI</em>. MLPowered. <span class=3D=22g=
mail-=22 style=3D=22margin:0px;border-bottom:0px rgb(230,232,240)=22><a c=
lass=3D=22gmail-H23r4e=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22 rel=3D=22noopener=22 hr=
ef=3D=22https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/=22 aria-label=
=3D=22https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/. Link preview. =
Site: . Title: What Noam Chomsky gets wrong about AI =C2=B7 mlpowered. UR=
L: https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/.=22 style=3D=22mar=
gin:0px;text-decoration:underline 1px rgb(153,195,255);border-bottom:0px =
rgb(153,195,255)=22>https://www.mlpowered.com/posts/chomsky-gets-wrong/</=
a></span></span></font></div><div><span style=3D=22background-color:trans=
parent=22><br></span></div><div><span style=3D=22font-family:monospace=22=
>Yours, GC</span><br style=3D=22font-family:monospace=22><span style=3D=22=
background-color:transparent=22>--</span></div></div></div><div dir=3D=22=
ltr=22 class=3D=22gmail=5Fsignature=22><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><div dir=3D=22=
ltr=22><div><div dir=3D=22ltr=22><font face=3D=22monospace=22>Gregory Cas=
amento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant<br><=
a href=3D=22http://www.gnustep.org=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>http://www.=
gnustep.org</a> - <a href=3D=22http://heronsperch.blogspot.com=22 target=3D=
=22=5Fblank=22>http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div>=
<div dir=3D=22ltr=22><font color=3D=22=23888888=22 face=3D=22monospace=22=
><a href=3D=22https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective=5Fc=22 style=3D=
=22color:rgb(17,85,204)=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22>https://www.openhub.ne=
t/languages/objective=5Fc</a></font></div></div></div></div></div>
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