Re: Why did so few GNUsteppers attend the meeting? (was: Re: GNUstep monthly meeting (audio/(video) call) on Saturday, 13th of June 2026 -- Reminder)

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Dear =E2=80=99Steppers,

First of all, thank you to everyone who took the time to respond!

It seems there isn=E2=80=99t just one reason for not attending the =
meeting, but rather many different ones. What I=E2=80=99ve noticed, =
however, is that for some, the meeting apparently brings back traumatic =
memories of meetings at work. That=E2=80=99s definitely not the =
intention - the monthly GNUstep meeting is meant to be a space for =
informal exchange and open discussion, a chance to catch up and share =
ideas with one another. For my part, I=E2=80=99m always very interested =
in hearing what others are currently working on. I also believe that =
this more direct form of communication makes it easier to clear up =
misunderstandings that can arise in written communication on the mailing =
list - for example, due to the lack of tone, intonation, and voice. A =
frank conversation can sometimes work wonders!

Now for the second most important reason: the timing and the schedule. =
We=E2=80=99re scattered all over the world - North America, Europe, =
Australia - each in our own time zone. And most of us have jobs that =
keep us busy during the week. That=E2=80=99s why the meeting was =
scheduled for a Saturday (the second Saturday of the month), so that the =
meeting wouldn=E2=80=99t conflict with work. At least, that was the =
intention. But if a majority now says they prefer a meeting on weekdays =
(Monday through Friday), we should of course change that. Keep in mind, =
however, that the end of the workday in Europe coincides with working =
hours in America, and the same is true between America and Australia =
(which would then mean after midnight for Europe).

Here=E2=80=99s what I suggest: it would be best if everyone could reply =
to this email with their preferred days for the meeting, along with the =
time (please use GMT!). We=E2=80=99ll figure out a compromise from =
there.

As for the meeting=E2=80=99s duration of about three hours, just to =
clarify: this is meant to be a time frame during which you can drop by. =
I don=E2=80=99t expect anyone (except maybe Greg) to be present for the =
entire three hours. There=E2=80=99s no obligation here.

I=E2=80=99ll start by listing the times that work for me:

Friday, Saturday, Sunday: 4:00 PM =E2=80=93 8:00 PM GMT

Best regards,

    Lars


> Am 15.06.2026 um 00:52 schrieb [email protected] via =
Discussion list for the GNUstep programming environment =
<[email protected]>:
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> Hi fellow =E2=80=99Steppers,
>=20
> we had our monthly meeting on Saturday, the recordings are here:
>=20
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8
>=20
> it was very interesting, Greg showed some new apps and Joe did show =
his accomplishments working on NextBSD.
>=20
> It was a little sad that only three of us took part in the meeting. =
Why is that?
>=20
> - Is it because the meeting is too often, e.g. monthly? Would you have =
attended if it were only bi-monthly like some time ago?
> - Is it because the time of the year, I mean maybe you=E2=80=99re =
rather outside during summer time, enjoying the nice weather?
> - Is it because the meeting is to broadly announced now, should I stop =
posting announcements on reddit?
> - Is it because the meeting is to long, should we limit it to two or =
maybe one hour?
>=20
> what was your reason not to attend? Please let me know.
>=20
> kind regards,
>=20
> 	Lars
>=20
>> Am 10.06.2026 um 11:49 schrieb Gregory Casamento =
<[email protected]>:
>>=20
>> The monthly GNUstep audio/(video) call takes place every second =
Saturday of a month at 15:00 GMT to 18:00 GMT. That is 11:00 AM - 2:00 =
PM EDT (US) or 17:00 to 20:00 CEST (Berlin time).
>>=20
>> It's a Jitsi Meeting - Channel: GNUstepOfficial (Sorry, reddit don't =
let me post jitsi links here)
>>=20
>> https://meet.jit.si/GNUstepOfficial
>>=20
>> We usually just talk (who wants it might share video too) and =
occasionally share screens. Everybody (GNUstep developers and users) is =
welcome!
>>=20
>> --
>> Gregory Casamento
>> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
>> http://www.gnustep.org <http://www.gnustep.org/> - =
http://heronsperch.blogspot.com <http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/>
>> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>=20


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line-break: after-white-space;">Dear =E2=80=99Steppers,<div><br></div><div=
><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: normal; =
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font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;">First of all, thank you to everyone =
who took the time to respond!</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: =
normal; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
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14px;"><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: =
normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;">It seems =
there isn=E2=80=99t just one reason for not attending the meeting, but =
rather many different ones. What I=E2=80=99ve noticed, however, is that =
for some, the meeting apparently brings back traumatic memories of =
meetings at work. That=E2=80=99s definitely not the intention - the =
monthly GNUstep meeting is meant to be a space for informal exchange and =
open discussion, a chance to catch up and share ideas with one another. =
For my part, I=E2=80=99m always very interested in hearing what others =
are currently working on. I also believe that this more direct form of =
communication makes it easier to clear up misunderstandings that can =
arise in written communication on the mailing list - for example, due to =
the lack of tone, intonation, and voice. A frank conversation can =
sometimes work wonders!</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; =
line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal; min-height: =
14px;"><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: =
normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;">Now for the =
second most important reason: the timing and the schedule. We=E2=80=99re =
scattered all over the world - North America, Europe, Australia - each =
in our own time zone. And most of us have jobs that keep us busy during =
the week. That=E2=80=99s why the meeting was scheduled for a Saturday =
(the second Saturday of the month), so that the meeting wouldn=E2=80=99t =
conflict with work. At least, that was the intention. But if a majority =
now says they prefer a meeting on weekdays (Monday through Friday), we =
should of course change that. Keep in mind, however, that the end of the =
workday in Europe coincides with working hours in America, and the same =
is true between America and Australia (which would then mean after =
midnight for Europe).</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; =
line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
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14px;"><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: =
normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
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font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;">Here=E2=80=99=
s what I suggest: it would be best if everyone could reply to this email =
with their preferred days for the meeting, along with the time (please =
use GMT!). We=E2=80=99ll figure out a compromise from there.</p><p =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: normal; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal; min-height: 14px;"><br></p><p =
style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: normal; =
font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; font-variant-alternates: =
normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;">As for the meeting=E2=80=99s duration =
of about three hours, just to clarify: this is meant to be a time frame =
during which you can drop by. I don=E2=80=99t expect anyone (except =
maybe Greg) to be present for the entire three hours. There=E2=80=99s no =
obligation here.</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; =
line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
font-variant-alternates: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; =
font-variant-numeric: normal; font-variant-east-asian: normal; =
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14px;"><br></p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: =
normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-kerning: auto; =
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font-variant-position: normal; font-feature-settings: normal; =
font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;">I=E2=80=99ll =
start by listing the times that work for me:</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; =
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style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: normal; =
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normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-numeric: normal; =
font-variant-east-asian: normal; font-variant-position: normal; =
font-feature-settings: normal; font-optical-sizing: auto; =
font-variation-settings: normal;">Friday, Saturday, Sunday: 4:00 PM =E2=80=
=93 8:00 PM GMT</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; =
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font-optical-sizing: auto; font-variation-settings: normal;">Best =
regards,</p><p style=3D"margin: 0px; font-width: normal; line-height: =
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&nbsp; Lars</p><div><br></div></div><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>Am 15.06.2026 um 00:52 schrieb =
[email protected] via Discussion list for the GNUstep =
programming environment &lt;[email protected]&gt;:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type"=
 content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">Hi =
fellow =E2=80=99Steppers,<div><br></div><div>we had our monthly meeting =
on Saturday, the recordings are here:</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8">https://www.youtube=
.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8</a></div><div><br></div><div>it was very =
interesting, Greg showed some new apps and Joe did show his =
accomplishments working on NextBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>It was a =
little sad that only three of us took part in the meeting. Why is =
that?</div><div><br></div><div>- Is it because the meeting is too often, =
e.g. monthly? Would you have attended if it were only bi-monthly like =
some time ago?</div><div>- Is it because the time of the year, I mean =
maybe you=E2=80=99re rather outside during summer time, enjoying the =
nice weather?</div><div>- Is it because the meeting is to broadly =
announced now, should I stop posting announcements on =
reddit?</div><div>- Is it because the meeting is to long, should we =
limit it to two or maybe one hour?</div><div><br></div><div>what was =
your reason not to attend? Please let me =
know.</div><div><br></div><div>kind =
regards,</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Lars</div><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Am =
10.06.2026 um 11:49 schrieb Gregory Casamento =
&lt;[email protected]&gt;:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><font =
face=3D"monospace">The monthly GNUstep audio/(video) call takes place =
every second Saturday of a month at 15:00 GMT to 18:00 GMT. That is =
11:00 AM - 2:00 PM EDT (US) or 17:00 to 20:00 CEST (Berlin =
time).<br><br>It's a Jitsi Meeting - Channel: GNUstepOfficial (Sorry, =
reddit don't let me post jitsi links here)</font></div><div><font =
face=3D"monospace"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace"><span =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D""></span><a =
href=3D"https://meet.jit.si/GNUstepOfficial">https://meet.jit.si/GNUstepOf=
ficial</a><br><br>We usually just talk (who wants it might share video =
too) and occasionally share screens. Everybody (GNUstep developers and =
users) is welcome!</font></div><div><br></div><span =
class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font =
face=3D"monospace">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black =
Lotus, Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a =
href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/" =
target=3D"_blank">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#888888" face=3D"monospace"><a =
href=3D"https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c" =
style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font>=
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