Re: Why did so few GNUsteppers attend the meeting? (was: Re: GNUstep monthly meeting (audio/(video) call) on Saturday, 13th of June 2026 -- Reminder)

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Friday is doable, Saturday and Sunday are optimal for me.


Gregory Casamento
GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c

On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 at 18:19 [email protected] via
Discussion list for the GNUstep programming environment <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Dear =E2=80=99Steppers,
>
> First of all, thank you to everyone who took the time to respond!
>
>
> It seems there isn=E2=80=99t just one reason for not attending the meetin=
g, but
> rather many different ones. What I=E2=80=99ve noticed, however, is that f=
or some,
> the meeting apparently brings back traumatic memories of meetings at work=
.
> That=E2=80=99s definitely not the intention - the monthly GNUstep meeting=
 is meant
> to be a space for informal exchange and open discussion, a chance to catc=
h
> up and share ideas with one another. For my part, I=E2=80=99m always very
> interested in hearing what others are currently working on. I also believ=
e
> that this more direct form of communication makes it easier to clear up
> misunderstandings that can arise in written communication on the mailing
> list - for example, due to the lack of tone, intonation, and voice. A fra=
nk
> conversation can sometimes work wonders!
>
>
> Now for the second most important reason: the timing and the schedule.
> We=E2=80=99re scattered all over the world - North America, Europe, Austr=
alia -
> each in our own time zone. And most of us have jobs that keep us busy
> during the week. That=E2=80=99s why the meeting was scheduled for a Satur=
day (the
> second Saturday of the month), so that the meeting wouldn=E2=80=99t confl=
ict with
> work. At least, that was the intention. But if a majority now says they
> prefer a meeting on weekdays (Monday through Friday), we should of course
> change that. Keep in mind, however, that the end of the workday in Europe
> coincides with working hours in America, and the same is true between
> America and Australia (which would then mean after midnight for Europe).
>
>
> Here=E2=80=99s what I suggest: it would be best if everyone could reply t=
o this
> email with their preferred days for the meeting, along with the time
> (please use GMT!). We=E2=80=99ll figure out a compromise from there.
>
>
> As for the meeting=E2=80=99s duration of about three hours, just to clari=
fy: this
> is meant to be a time frame during which you can drop by. I don=E2=80=99t=
 expect
> anyone (except maybe Greg) to be present for the entire three hours.
> There=E2=80=99s no obligation here.
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ll start by listing the times that work for me:
>
>
> Friday, Saturday, Sunday: 4:00 PM =E2=80=93 8:00 PM GMT
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>     Lars
>
>
> Am 15.06.2026 um 00:52 schrieb [email protected] via
> Discussion list for the GNUstep programming environment <
> [email protected]>:
>
> Hi fellow =E2=80=99Steppers,
>
> we had our monthly meeting on Saturday, the recordings are here:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8
>
> it was very interesting, Greg showed some new apps and Joe did show his
> accomplishments working on NextBSD.
>
> It was a little sad that only three of us took part in the meeting. Why i=
s
> that?
>
> - Is it because the meeting is too often, e.g. monthly? Would you have
> attended if it were only bi-monthly like some time ago?
> - Is it because the time of the year, I mean maybe you=E2=80=99re rather =
outside
> during summer time, enjoying the nice weather?
> - Is it because the meeting is to broadly announced now, should I stop
> posting announcements on reddit?
> - Is it because the meeting is to long, should we limit it to two or mayb=
e
> one hour?
>
> what was your reason not to attend? Please let me know.
>
> kind regards,
>
> Lars
>
> Am 10.06.2026 um 11:49 schrieb Gregory Casamento <[email protected]=
m
> >:
>
> The monthly GNUstep audio/(video) call takes place every second Saturday
> of a month at 15:00 GMT to 18:00 GMT. That is 11:00 AM - 2:00 PM EDT (US)
> or 17:00 to 20:00 CEST (Berlin time).
>
> It's a Jitsi Meeting - Channel: GNUstepOfficial (Sorry, reddit don't let
> me post jitsi links here)
>
> https://meet.jit.si/GNUstepOfficial
>
> We usually just talk (who wants it might share video too) and occasionall=
y
> share screens. Everybody (GNUstep developers and users) is welcome!
>
> --
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"auto">Friday is doable, Saturday and Sunday are optimal for me.=
=C2=A0</div><div><br clear=3D"all"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div dir=3D"ltr" =
class=3D"gmail_signature" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D=
"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead =
Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnus=
tep.org" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:monospace">http://www.gnust=
ep.org</a> - <a href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com" target=3D"_blank" =
style=3D"font-family:monospace">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></fo=
nt></div></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"font-fami=
ly:monospace;color:rgb(136,136,136)"><a href=3D"https://www.openhub.net/lan=
guages/objective_c" style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(17,85,204)" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font></d=
iv></div></div></div></div></div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_q=
uote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Jun 17, 2026 =
at 18:19 <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">lars.sonchoc=
[email protected]</a> via Discussion list for the GNUstep programming =
environment &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">discuss-gnustep@=
gnu.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-lef=
t:1ex"><div style=3D"line-break:after-white-space">Dear =E2=80=99Steppers,<=
div><br></div><div><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adju=
st:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligat=
ures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font=
-feature-settings:normal">First of all, thank you to everyone who took the =
time to respond!</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adj=
ust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-liga=
tures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;fon=
t-feature-settings:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;l=
ine-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alte=
rnates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;fon=
t-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">It seems there is=
n=E2=80=99t just one reason for not attending the meeting, but rather many =
different ones. What I=E2=80=99ve noticed, however, is that for some, the m=
eeting apparently brings back traumatic memories of meetings at work. That=
=E2=80=99s definitely not the intention - the monthly GNUstep meeting is me=
ant to be a space for informal exchange and open discussion, a chance to ca=
tch up and share ideas with one another. For my part, I=E2=80=99m always ve=
ry interested in hearing what others are currently working on. I also belie=
ve that this more direct form of communication makes it easier to clear up =
misunderstandings that can arise in written communication on the mailing li=
st - for example, due to the lack of tone, intonation, and voice. A frank c=
onversation can sometimes work wonders!</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-heig=
ht:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:n=
ormal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-varian=
t-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><=
p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning=
:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-var=
iant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:no=
rmal">Now for the second most important reason: the timing and the schedule=
. We=E2=80=99re scattered all over the world - North America, Europe, Austr=
alia - each in our own time zone. And most of us have jobs that keep us bus=
y during the week. That=E2=80=99s why the meeting was scheduled for a Satur=
day (the second Saturday of the month), so that the meeting wouldn=E2=80=99=
t conflict with work. At least, that was the intention. But if a majority n=
ow says they prefer a meeting on weekdays (Monday through Friday), we shoul=
d of course change that. Keep in mind, however, that the end of the workday=
 in Europe coincides with working hours in America, and the same is true be=
tween America and Australia (which would then mean after midnight for Europ=
e).</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font=
-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;=
font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-set=
tings:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:no=
rmal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal=
;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-eas=
t-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Here=E2=80=99s what I suggest:=
 it would be best if everyone could reply to this email with their preferre=
d days for the meeting, along with the time (please use GMT!). We=E2=80=99l=
l figure out a compromise from there.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height=
:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:nor=
mal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-=
east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p =
style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:a=
uto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-varia=
nt-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:norm=
al">As for the meeting=E2=80=99s duration of about three hours, just to cla=
rify: this is meant to be a time frame during which you can drop by. I don=
=E2=80=99t expect anyone (except maybe Greg) to be present for the entire t=
hree hours. There=E2=80=99s no obligation here.</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;l=
ine-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alte=
rnates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;fon=
t-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal;min-height:14px"><=
br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font=
-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;=
font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-set=
tings:normal">I=E2=80=99ll start by listing the times that work for me:</p>=
<p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kernin=
g:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-va=
riant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:n=
ormal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;fo=
nt-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-v=
ariant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian=
:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Friday, Saturday, Sunday: 4:00 PM =E2=
=80=93 8:00 PM GMT</p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-a=
djust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-li=
gatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;f=
ont-feature-settings:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px=
;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-al=
ternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;f=
ont-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">Best regards,</=
p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;font-size-adjust:none;font-kern=
ing:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-=
variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings=
:normal;min-height:14px"><br></p><p style=3D"margin:0px;line-height:normal;=
font-size-adjust:none;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font=
-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asi=
an:normal;font-feature-settings:normal">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Lars</p><div><br></di=
v></div></div><div style=3D"line-break:after-white-space"><div><br><blockqu=
ote type=3D"cite"><div>Am 15.06.2026 um 00:52 schrieb <a href=3D"mailto:lar=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">lars.sonchocky-helldorf@=
hamburg.de</a> via Discussion list for the GNUstep programming environment =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">discuss-gn=
[email protected]</a>&gt;:</div><br><div><div style=3D"line-break:after-white-s=
pace">Hi fellow =E2=80=99Steppers,<div><br></div><div>we had our monthly me=
eting on Saturday, the recordings are here:</div><div><br></div><div><a hre=
f=3D"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8" target=3D"_blank">https=
://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D618e0qHJZV8</a></div><div><br></div><div>it wa=
s very interesting, Greg showed some new apps and Joe did show his accompli=
shments working on NextBSD.</div><div><br></div><div>It was a little sad th=
at only three of us took part in the meeting. Why is that?</div><div><br></=
div><div>- Is it because the meeting is too often, e.g. monthly? Would you =
have attended if it were only bi-monthly like some time ago?</div><div>- Is=
 it because the time of the year, I mean maybe you=E2=80=99re rather outsid=
e during summer time, enjoying the nice weather?</div><div>- Is it because =
the meeting is to broadly announced now, should I stop posting announcement=
s on reddit?</div><div>- Is it because the meeting is to long, should we li=
mit it to two or maybe one hour?</div><div><br></div><div>what was your rea=
son not to attend? Please let me know.</div><div><br></div><div>kind regard=
s,</div><div><br></div><div><span style=3D"white-space:pre-wrap">	</span>La=
rs</div><div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Am 10.06.2026 um 11:49=
 schrieb Gregory Casamento &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" =
target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;:</div><br><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><div><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"font-family:monospace;color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">The monthly GNUstep audio/(video) call takes place every secon=
d Saturday of a month at 15:00 GMT to 18:00 GMT. That is 11:00 AM - 2:00 PM=
 EDT (US) or 17:00 to 20:00 CEST (Berlin time).<br><br>It&#39;s a Jitsi Mee=
ting - Channel: GNUstepOfficial (Sorry, reddit don&#39;t let me post jitsi =
links here)</font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"font-family:=
monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"monospace" =
style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span class=3D"gmail_defau=
lt" style=3D"font-family:monospace"></span><a href=3D"https://meet.jit.si/G=
NUstepOfficial" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-family:monospace">https://m=
eet.jit.si/GNUstepOfficial</a><br><br>We usually just talk (who wants it mi=
ght share video too) and occasionally share screens. Everybody (GNUstep dev=
elopers and users) is welcome!</font></div><div><br></div><span class=3D"gm=
ail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signatu=
re" data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"font-family:monospace=
;color:rgb(0,0,0)">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotu=
s, Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org/" target=3D"_b=
lank" style=3D"font-family:monospace">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a href=
=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com/" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"font-famil=
y:monospace">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"monospace" style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:=
rgb(136,136,136)"><a href=3D"https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c"=
 style=3D"font-family:monospace;color:rgb(17,85,204)" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font></div></div></div></di=
v></div>
</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div=
></blockquote></div></div>

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