Re: Ambrosia Desktop Update

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Did you see the Milk theme? The point of it was mostly recreating:
https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html Ink is just the current theme that I
was running. I am still developing Ambrosia, I've just got some other apps
I'm developing at the same time. Rik.theme is also supported for a more
Mac-like theme. I might look at Cappucino at some point, the biggest issue
with Ambrosia right now is cleaning up the Wayland backend. It's still
missing a lot compared to X11.

On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 at 12:08, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Colby,
>
> Interesting side note... I briefly worked with them.   Not open-sourcing
> Atlas was a huge mistake.  I'm glad that Cappuccino is still around.   On=
e
> thing I had considered doing back then was creating a way to export to .c=
ib
> (the format used by Atlas) so that people could create these files for th=
e
> Cappuccino apps.   I'm not sure how prevalent Cappuccino is, so I can't
> confirm whether this is still worth pursuing.
>
> Yours, GC
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 8:57=E2=80=AFPM Colby Russell <[email protected]=
ell.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I thought the earlier Ambrosia screenshots showed promise.
>>
>> Some number of years ago, a startup called 280 North created two
>> noteworthy
>> applications: a slideshow creator and an Interface Builder clone called
>> Atlas.
>> (They also released the Cappuccino framework, which was basically a Coco=
a
>> clone for browser-based apps.  Tracking down the Atlas demo videos are
>> well
>> worth the time.)
>>
>> They were eventually acquired, but the Atlas codebase unfortunately neve=
r
>> open-sourced, and then it disappeared.  However, Cappuccino is still
>> around
>> and has always been LGPL.
>>
>> Before the acquisition, they'd used some of their startup funding to
>> contract
>> with a professional design agency to create a theme for Cappuccino calle=
d
>> Aristo.
>>
>> - <https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/>
>> - <https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo>
>>
>> I heartily recommend that you take wholesale from Aristo and make it the
>> default theme for Ambrosia (even if you yourself don't find it to your
>> taste
>> and configure your personal machine to something more in line with the
>> screenshot you've included here).  One of the biggest factors in getting
>> people to be excited about a project like GNUStep/Ambrosia and a
>> willingness
>> to try it is providing an immediately attractive and accessible
>> out-of-the-box
>> experience.
>>
>> Xamarin also paid for an overhaul of MonoDevelop that resulted in a new
>> theme
>> before they were acquired Microsoft.  I suggest borrowing from that
>> work, too,
>> to fill in the gaps (e.g. use the original iconset that the MonoDevelop
>> theme
>> used before they switched to flat UI).
>>
>> --
>> Colby Russell
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Gregory Casamento
> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant
> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com
> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Did you see the Milk theme? The point of it was mostly=C2=
=A0recreating: <a href=3D"https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html">https://w=
ww.maxrudberg.com/themes.html</a> Ink is just the current theme that I was =
running. I am still developing Ambrosia, I&#39;ve just got some other apps =
I&#39;m developing at the same time. Rik.theme is also supported for a more=
 Mac-like theme. I might look at Cappucino at some point, the biggest issue=
 with Ambrosia right now is cleaning up the Wayland backend. It&#39;s still=
 missing a lot compared to X11.</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_qu=
ote_container"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 at =
12:08, Gregory Casamento &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">gr=
[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,2=
04);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=
=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Colby,</div><div class=3D"gmail_defaul=
t" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Interesting side note...=
 I briefly worked with them.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Not open-sourcing Atlas was a huge=
 mistake.=C2=A0 I&#39;m glad that Cappuccino is still around.=C2=A0 =C2=A0O=
ne thing I had considered doing back then was creating a way to export to .=
cib (the format used by Atlas) so that people could create these files for =
the Cappuccino apps.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I&#39;m not sure how prevalent Cappuccino =
is, so I can&#39;t confirm whether this is still worth pursuing.</div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">You=
rs, GC</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"=
gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 8:57=E2=80=AFPM Colby Russell &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]=
ssell.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding=
-left:1ex">I thought the earlier Ambrosia screenshots showed promise.<br>
<br>
Some number of years ago, a startup called 280 North created two noteworthy=
<br>
applications: a slideshow creator and an Interface Builder clone called <br=
>
Atlas.<br>
(They also released the Cappuccino framework, which was basically a Cocoa<b=
r>
clone for browser-based apps.=C2=A0 Tracking down the Atlas demo videos are=
 well<br>
worth the time.)<br>
<br>
They were eventually acquired, but the Atlas codebase unfortunately never<b=
r>
open-sourced, and then it disappeared.=C2=A0 However, Cappuccino is still a=
round<br>
and has always been LGPL.<br>
<br>
Before the acquisition, they&#39;d used some of their startup funding to <b=
r>
contract<br>
with a professional design agency to create a theme for Cappuccino called<b=
r>
Aristo.<br>
<br>
- &lt;<a href=3D"https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar=
get=3D"_blank">https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/</a>&gt;<br>
- &lt;<a href=3D"https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo" rel=3D"noreferrer" t=
arget=3D"_blank">https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo</a>&gt;<br>
<br>
I heartily recommend that you take wholesale from Aristo and make it the<br=
>
default theme for Ambrosia (even if you yourself don&#39;t find it to your =
taste<br>
and configure your personal machine to something more in line with the<br>
screenshot you&#39;ve included here).=C2=A0 One of the biggest factors in g=
etting<br>
people to be excited about a project like GNUStep/Ambrosia and a willingnes=
s<br>
to try it is providing an immediately attractive and accessible <br>
out-of-the-box<br>
experience.<br>
<br>
Xamarin also paid for an overhaul of MonoDevelop that resulted in a new <br=
>
theme<br>
before they were acquired Microsoft.=C2=A0 I suggest borrowing from that <b=
r>
work, too,<br>
to fill in the gaps (e.g. use the original iconset that the MonoDevelop <br=
>
theme<br>
used before they switched to flat UI).<br>
<br>
-- <br>
Colby Russell<br>
<br>
<br>
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=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s=
ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font fac=
e=3D"monospace">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, =
Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org" target=3D"_blank=
">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com" =
target=3D"_blank">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#888888" face=3D"monospace"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" =
target=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font><=
/div></div></div></div>
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