Re: Ambrosia Desktop Update
Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> Tue, 7 Jul 2026 17:56:03 -0400
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--000000000000a342d806560c769b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey James, Yes I've seen it. The Milk theme is very pretty. I like minimalist themes that are simple and elegant. I'm looking forward to seeing a theme like it in GNUstep. Yours, GC On Mon, Jul 6, 2026 at 4:36=E2=80=AFAM James Carthew <[email protected]> w= rote: > Did you see the Milk theme? The point of it was mostly recreating: > https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html Ink is just the current theme that > I was running. I am still developing Ambrosia, I've just got some other > apps I'm developing at the same time. Rik.theme is also supported for a > more Mac-like theme. I might look at Cappucino at some point, the biggest > issue with Ambrosia right now is cleaning up the Wayland backend. It's > still missing a lot compared to X11. > > On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 at 12:08, Gregory Casamento <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Colby, >> >> Interesting side note... I briefly worked with them. Not open-sourcing >> Atlas was a huge mistake. I'm glad that Cappuccino is still around. O= ne >> thing I had considered doing back then was creating a way to export to .= cib >> (the format used by Atlas) so that people could create these files for t= he >> Cappuccino apps. I'm not sure how prevalent Cappuccino is, so I can't >> confirm whether this is still worth pursuing. >> >> Yours, GC >> >> On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 8:57=E2=80=AFPM Colby Russell <[email protected]= sell.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I thought the earlier Ambrosia screenshots showed promise. >>> >>> Some number of years ago, a startup called 280 North created two >>> noteworthy >>> applications: a slideshow creator and an Interface Builder clone called >>> Atlas. >>> (They also released the Cappuccino framework, which was basically a Coc= oa >>> clone for browser-based apps. Tracking down the Atlas demo videos are >>> well >>> worth the time.) >>> >>> They were eventually acquired, but the Atlas codebase unfortunately nev= er >>> open-sourced, and then it disappeared. However, Cappuccino is still >>> around >>> and has always been LGPL. >>> >>> Before the acquisition, they'd used some of their startup funding to >>> contract >>> with a professional design agency to create a theme for Cappuccino call= ed >>> Aristo. >>> >>> - <https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/> >>> - <https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo> >>> >>> I heartily recommend that you take wholesale from Aristo and make it th= e >>> default theme for Ambrosia (even if you yourself don't find it to your >>> taste >>> and configure your personal machine to something more in line with the >>> screenshot you've included here). One of the biggest factors in gettin= g >>> people to be excited about a project like GNUStep/Ambrosia and a >>> willingness >>> to try it is providing an immediately attractive and accessible >>> out-of-the-box >>> experience. >>> >>> Xamarin also paid for an overhaul of MonoDevelop that resulted in a new >>> theme >>> before they were acquired Microsoft. I suggest borrowing from that >>> work, too, >>> to fill in the gaps (e.g. use the original iconset that the MonoDevelop >>> theme >>> used before they switched to flat UI). >>> >>> -- >>> Colby Russell >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Gregory Casamento >> GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant >> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >> https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c >> > --=20 Gregory Casamento GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, Principal Consultant http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c --000000000000a342d806560c769b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospac= e,monospace">Hey James,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam= ily:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo= nt-family:monospace,monospace">Yes I've seen it.=C2=A0 The Milk theme i= s very pretty.=C2=A0 I like minimalist themes that are simple and elegant.= =C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm looking forward to seeing a theme like it in GNUstep.<= /div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"= ><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,mono= space">Yours, GC</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_conta= iner"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jul 6, 2026 at 4:36=E2= =80=AFAM James Carthew <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">jcarthew@g= mail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D= "margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-le= ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Did you see the Milk theme? The point of it was mo= stly=C2=A0recreating: <a href=3D"https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html" ta= rget=3D"_blank">https://www.maxrudberg.com/themes.html</a> Ink is just the = current theme that I was running. I am still developing Ambrosia, I've = just got some other apps I'm developing at the same time. Rik.theme is = also supported for a more Mac-like theme. I might look at Cappucino at some= point, the biggest issue with Ambrosia right now is cleaning up the Waylan= d backend. It's still missing a lot compared to X11.</div><br><div clas= s=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, 6 Jul 2026 = at 12:08, Gregory Casamento <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]"= target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockq= uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p= x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"g= mail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Colby,</div><div cl= ass=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,monospace">Inter= esting side note... I briefly worked with them.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Not open-sourci= ng Atlas was a huge mistake.=C2=A0 I'm glad that Cappuccino is still ar= ound.=C2=A0 =C2=A0One thing I had considered doing back then was creating a= way to export to .cib (the format used by Atlas) so that people could crea= te these files for the Cappuccino apps.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I'm not sure how pr= evalent Cappuccino is, so I can't confirm whether this is still worth p= ursuing.</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monospace,m= onospace"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:monos= pace,monospace">Yours, GC</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div di= r=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Jul 5, 2026 at 8:57=E2=80=AFPM Colby= Russell <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank= ">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"g= mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204= ,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I thought the earlier Ambrosia screenshots show= ed promise.<br> <br> Some number of years ago, a startup called 280 North created two noteworthy= <br> applications: a slideshow creator and an Interface Builder clone called <br= > Atlas.<br> (They also released the Cappuccino framework, which was basically a Cocoa<b= r> clone for browser-based apps.=C2=A0 Tracking down the Atlas demo videos are= well<br> worth the time.)<br> <br> They were eventually acquired, but the Atlas codebase unfortunately never<b= r> open-sourced, and then it disappeared.=C2=A0 However, Cappuccino is still a= round<br> and has always been LGPL.<br> <br> Before the acquisition, they'd used some of their startup funding to <b= r> contract<br> with a professional design agency to create a theme for Cappuccino called<b= r> Aristo.<br> <br> - <<a href=3D"https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/" rel=3D"noreferrer" tar= get=3D"_blank">https://www.cappuccino.dev/aristo/</a>><br> - <<a href=3D"https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo" rel=3D"noreferrer" t= arget=3D"_blank">https://github.com/cappuccino/aristo</a>><br> <br> I heartily recommend that you take wholesale from Aristo and make it the<br= > default theme for Ambrosia (even if you yourself don't find it to your = taste<br> and configure your personal machine to something more in line with the<br> screenshot you've included here).=C2=A0 One of the biggest factors in g= etting<br> people to be excited about a project like GNUStep/Ambrosia and a willingnes= s<br> to try it is providing an immediately attractive and accessible <br> out-of-the-box<br> experience.<br> <br> Xamarin also paid for an overhaul of MonoDevelop that resulted in a new <br= > theme<br> before they were acquired Microsoft.=C2=A0 I suggest borrowing from that <b= r> work, too,<br> to fill in the gaps (e.g. use the original iconset that the MonoDevelop <br= > theme<br> used before they switched to flat UI).<br> <br> -- <br> Colby Russell<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br></div><span class= =3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s= ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font fac= e=3D"monospace">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, = Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org" target=3D"_blank= ">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com" = target=3D"_blank">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#888888" face=3D"monospace"><a href=3D"htt= ps://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font><= /div></div></div></div> </blockquote></div> </blockquote></div><div><br clear=3D"all"></div><div><br></div><span class= =3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_s= ignature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><font fac= e=3D"monospace">Gregory Casamento<br>GNUstep Lead Developer / Black Lotus, = Principal Consultant<br><a href=3D"http://www.gnustep.org" target=3D"_blank= ">http://www.gnustep.org</a> - <a href=3D"http://heronsperch.blogspot.com" = target=3D"_blank">http://heronsperch.blogspot.com</a><br></font></div></div= ><div dir=3D"ltr"><font color=3D"#888888" face=3D"monospace"><a href=3D"htt= ps://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c" style=3D"color:rgb(17,85,204)" = target=3D"_blank">https://www.openhub.net/languages/objective_c</a></font><= /div></div></div></div> --000000000000a342d806560c769b--