Re: Canonical Psalm titles and SWORD search?

Thanks DM,

French Bibles with one of the applicable versifications.

e.g. Psalm 54 in FreJND has vss 1-2 for the title.

AFAICT, no Bible version allocates more than 2 verses to a Psalm title.

Best regards,

David

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On Tuesday, January 28th, 2025 at 8:32 PM, DM Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

>> On Jan 28, 2025, at 1:48 PM, Arnaud Vié <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David,
>>
>> The usage of "acrostic" in this case is indeed semantically incorrect.
>>
>> According to the OSIS specification, the correct markup for a psalm canonical title is
>> <title type="psalm" canonical="true">
>> and it is perfectly allowed to occur before the first verse.
>> The crosswire wiki mentions that, in this case, sword requires an additional attribute subType="x-preverse" on the title tag, though I'm not sure what the purpose of this tag is and if it affects your issue with searching.
>
> subType=“x-preverse” is added by osis2mod. No one writing OSIS should need to put that in. SWORD uses this to handle material that stands before the verse number.
>
> Early on pre-verse material was a heading. Later it could be more complex.
>
> In a SWORD frontend it does something like this pseudo code.
> if (showingHeadings or verse.headingIsCanonical())
> output( verse.getHeading() )
> output( verse.getVerseNumber() )
> output( verse.getContent() )
>
> Note, the above does not care if the module is OSIS, ThML, GBF, plain text, …
>
>> As a side note, in many bibles, as you say, some psalm titles span several verses, and therefore the OSIS spec allows <verse/> tags in the middle of a psalm title - though currently sword does not support it because osis2mod does not transform the <title> tag to milestoned form.
>
> Right. It doesn’t fit the pattern above.
>
> What module exhibits this multi-verse title and in which Psalm? I’d like to take a look at it.
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Arnaud
>>
>> Le mar. 28 janv. 2025, 13:12, David Haslam <[email protected]> a écrit :
>>
>>> Thanks John,
>>>
>>> Aside: I'm puzzled by the use oftype="acrostic"when the 125 Psalms with canonical titles are nothing to do with acrostics,per se. Surely, that attribute should be reserved for the 22 stanza headings in Psalm 119 ?
>>>
>>> There are Alternative Versifications in which the canonical Psalm titles are assigned to verse 1 (or in a few cases to verses 1 & 2) with subsequent verse numbers being offset by +1 (or +2).
>>> I was not enquiring about modules that are for Bible versions like that.
>>>
>>> In the KJV and many other modules, the Psalm titles proper arebeforethe start of verse 1.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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>>> On Tuesday, January 28th, 2025 at 11:17 AM, Johan Marais <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> In our translation I set Ps 6:1 as:
>>>>
>>>> <image003.png>
>>>>
>>>> And a ‘normal’ search in Xiphos 4.2.1 returns 7 results:
>>>>
>>>> <image002.png>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Johan Marais
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: sword-devel <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Haslam
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2025 10:45
>>>> To: sword-devel mailing list <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: [sword-devel] Canonical Psalm titles and SWORD search?
>>>>
>>>> I just tried to search for the word 'Neginoth' using Xiphos.
>>>>
>>>> There were no results found!
>>>>
>>>> This word occurs in the canonical Psalm title for Ps.6 and five other Psalms.
>>>>
>>>> "To the chief Musician on Neginoth upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David."
>>>>
>>>> In view of the fact that canonical Psalm titles are translated from the original Hebrew, ought it not to be within the scope of SWORD search?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this merely a shortcoming of Xiphos?
>>>>
>>>> cf. Xiphos Advanced Search dialog allows search scope to look in footnotes, but there's no such option for titles.
>>>>
>>>> Of course, many Bible versions have non-canonical headings throughout the module, yet I'm not concerned with such in asking this question here.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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