Re: Canonical Psalm titles and SWORD search?

> On Jan 28, 2025, at 1:48 PM, Arnaud Vié <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> The usage of "acrostic" in this case is indeed semantically incorrect. 
> 
> According to the OSIS specification, the correct markup for a psalm canonical title is 
> <title type="psalm" canonical="true">
> and it is perfectly allowed to occur before the first verse.
> The crosswire wiki mentions that, in this case, sword requires an additional attribute subType="x-preverse" on the title tag, though I'm not sure what the purpose of this tag is and if it affects your issue with searching.
> 

subType=“x-preverse” is added by osis2mod. No one writing OSIS should need to put that in. SWORD uses this to handle material that stands before the verse number.

Early on pre-verse material was a heading. Later it could be more complex.

In a SWORD frontend it does something like this pseudo code.
if (showingHeadings or verse.headingIsCanonical())
	output( verse.getHeading() )
output( verse.getVerseNumber() )
output( verse.getContent() )

Note, the above does not care if the module is OSIS, ThML, GBF, plain text, … 
> As a side note, in many bibles, as you say, some psalm titles span several verses, and therefore the OSIS spec allows <verse/> tags in the middle of a psalm title - though currently sword does not support it because osis2mod does not transform the <title> tag to milestoned form.
> 
Right. It doesn’t fit the pattern above. 

What module exhibits this multi-verse title and in which Psalm? I’d like to take a look at it.
> Regards,
> 
> Arnaud
> 
> 
> Le mar. 28 janv. 2025, 13:12, David Haslam <dfhdfh-g/[email protected] <mailto:dfhdfh-g/[email protected]>> a écrit :
>> Thanks John,
>> 
>> Aside: I'm puzzled by the use of type="acrostic" when the 125 Psalms with canonical titles are nothing to do with acrostics, per se. Surely, that attribute should be reserved for the 22 stanza headings in Psalm 119 ?
>> 
>> There are Alternative Versifications in which the canonical Psalm titles are assigned to verse 1 (or in a few cases to verses 1 & 2) with subsequent verse numbers being offset by +1 (or +2).
>> I was not enquiring about modules that are for Bible versions like that.
>> 
>> In the KJV and many other modules, the Psalm titles proper are before the start of verse 1.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> David
>> 
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>> On Tuesday, January 28th, 2025 at 11:17 AM, Johan Marais <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>>> David.
>>> 
>>> In our translation I set Ps 6:1 as:
>>> 
>>> <image003.png>
>>> 
>>> And a ‘normal’ search in Xiphos 4.2.1 returns 7 results:
>>> 
>>> <image002.png>
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Johan Marais
>>> 
>>>  
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>>> From: sword-devel <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of David Haslam
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2025 10:45
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>>> Subject: [sword-devel] Canonical Psalm titles and SWORD search?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> I just tried to search for the word 'Neginoth' using Xiphos.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> There were no results found!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> This word occurs in the canonical Psalm title for Ps.6 and five other Psalms.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> "To the chief Musician on Neginoth upon Sheminith, A Psalm of David."
>>> 
>>>  
>>> In view of the fact that canonical Psalm titles are translated from the original Hebrew, ought it not to be within the scope of SWORD search?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Or is this merely a shortcoming of Xiphos?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> cf. Xiphos Advanced Search dialog allows search scope to look in footnotes, but there's no such option for titles.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Of course, many Bible versions have non-canonical headings throughout the  module, yet I'm not concerned with such in asking this question here.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>>  
>>> David
>>> 
>>>  
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