Re: useful patches for everyone

I sure will do. But you are not helping out...

Nikos
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" <[email protected]>
To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
Cc: "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone


I think you'll survive ;)

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Alejandro Guerrieri
[email protected]

On 19/04/2011, at 11:12, Nikos Balkanas wrote:

>> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default 
>> behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as 
>> usual, so no > harm's done.
>
> This is not the issue. I still have (along with many others) to know about 
> it in order to support it for users that ask (or not) about it. This 
> feature by itself is not that much, but cluttering configuration with 
> non-essential conveniences will add up to make configuration much more 
> difficult to support than now.
>
> BR,
> Nikos
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" 
> <[email protected]>
> To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Juan Nin" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:49 AM
> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>
>
> For KISS's sake, this doesn't clutter configuration nor breaks backwards 
> compatibility. It doesn't hurt performance either.
>
> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default 
> behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as 
> usual, so no harm's done.
>
> Where do we trace the "absolutely necessary" line is of course fuzzy, but 
> from what I read seems like other users would find it useful as well.
>
> Regards,
> --
> Alejandro Guerrieri
> [email protected]
>
>
>
> On 19/04/2011, at 05:19, Nikos Balkanas wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> wapbox must be kept around because of backwards compatibility, that is a 
>> must for all open source software. Users are still using it.
>>
>> Finally I would like to add my support for keeping configuration 
>> explosion in check. Otherwise, what a few people might gain in 
>> convenience, a lot of people might have to pay for it in terms of kannel 
>> support due to more difficult configuration. Some golden rules in 
>> configuration are:
>>
>> 1) KISS
>> 2) Don't expand it, unless it is absolutely necessary.
>>
>> Stopping service to modify configuration is a no-no. Commenting a 
>> configuration file off-line is convenience.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> Nikos
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Nin
>> To: Kannel Devel
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>
>>
>> That's what we do today, but the idea is not to have to do any "extra" 
>> work, neither having to comment/uncomment things out, nor have to 
>> add/remove config files.
>>
>>
>> Having the start-at-boot directive allows you to just keep the 
>> configuration defined, but the smsc does not start.
>> So anytime you need it, you just use the start-smsc and then the 
>> stop-smsc.
>> This is much cleaner IMHO than having to do all the extra manual work, no 
>> matter how easy that manual work it may be.
>>
>>
>> A similar discussion was held some months ago, can't remember what new 
>> directive it was, where the directive was finally added, since it was 
>> seen it was helpful.
>> Not all directives are used by everyone or may be useful for everybody, 
>> that happens on any piece of software, but does not mean it's not useful, 
>> nor that it should not be added. I don't care about the WAP related parts 
>> of Kannel for example, and that doesn't mean I believe they should not 
>> exist. Adding useful things to Kannel is something that makes Kannel a 
>> better product, so I don't really see why not to add it. Maybe if it was 
>> something complicated that really messed up with the code, could be, but 
>> this is definitely not the case.
>>
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>
>> 2011/4/18 Nikos Balkanas <[email protected]>
>>
>> What about the HTTP command start-smsc:
>>
>> It reloads the smsc and starts them from configuration. Therefore you 
>> could have the smsc commented out at start, then enable it in the 
>> configuration and start it from the web interface, without stooping 
>> kannel. Is that not adequate?
>>
>> BR,
>> Nikos
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gottgens" 
>> <[email protected]>
>> To: "Alvaro Cornejo" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "Alexander Malysh" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:24 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> i second that. Having the ability to start kannel with some of the binds 
>> down
>> is so much easier in HA/Failover environments.
>>
>> Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:31:05 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> AC> Hi Alex
>>
>> AC> Another use would be when having backup links. I do use over 20 
>> modems
>> AC> but not have all enabled at start. In order to not to have to reload
>> AC> kannel when a new modem is needed, I do start kannel and then stop 
>> all
>> AC> the backup modems and I have to do the same whenever I restart kannel
>> AC> or the server
>>
>> AC> I'll love to have this feature in standard kannel
>>
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Thomas                            mailto:[email protected]
>>
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