Re: useful patches for everyone

YOU are not helping out. I've collaborated a patch and many people voiced it would be useful. You're only trolling as you usually do, instead of doing something PRODUCTIVE for a change.

For what concerns me, this discussion is a waste of time and it's over, you're not entitled to decide what's accepted and what's not anyway.

Alex, Stipe, I voiced my point and other people agreed as well. It's your call either to include it or not, just let me know so I can write the user guide part.

Otherwise, it'll remain available in my blog where interested parties could download it and apply it.

Regards,
--
Alejandro Guerrieri
[email protected]



On 19/04/2011, at 11:23, Nikos Balkanas wrote:

> I sure will do. But you are not helping out...
> 
> Nikos
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" <[email protected]>
> To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
> Cc: "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 12:21 PM
> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
> 
> 
> I think you'll survive ;)
> 
> --
> Alejandro Guerrieri
> [email protected]
> 
> On 19/04/2011, at 11:12, Nikos Balkanas wrote:
> 
>>> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as usual, so no > harm's done.
>> 
>> This is not the issue. I still have (along with many others) to know about it in order to support it for users that ask (or not) about it. This feature by itself is not that much, but cluttering configuration with non-essential conveniences will add up to make configuration much more difficult to support than now.
>> 
>> BR,
>> Nikos
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alejandro Guerrieri" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Nikos Balkanas" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: "Juan Nin" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 11:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>> 
>> 
>> For KISS's sake, this doesn't clutter configuration nor breaks backwards compatibility. It doesn't hurt performance either.
>> 
>> If you don't want to use it just ignore it completely, the default behavior if the directive is missing is to start the smsc at boot as usual, so no harm's done.
>> 
>> Where do we trace the "absolutely necessary" line is of course fuzzy, but from what I read seems like other users would find it useful as well.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> --
>> Alejandro Guerrieri
>> [email protected]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 19/04/2011, at 05:19, Nikos Balkanas wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> wapbox must be kept around because of backwards compatibility, that is a must for all open source software. Users are still using it.
>>> 
>>> Finally I would like to add my support for keeping configuration explosion in check. Otherwise, what a few people might gain in convenience, a lot of people might have to pay for it in terms of kannel support due to more difficult configuration. Some golden rules in configuration are:
>>> 
>>> 1) KISS
>>> 2) Don't expand it, unless it is absolutely necessary.
>>> 
>>> Stopping service to modify configuration is a no-no. Commenting a configuration file off-line is convenience.
>>> 
>>> My 2 cents,
>>> Nikos
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan Nin
>>> To: Kannel Devel
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 4:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> That's what we do today, but the idea is not to have to do any "extra" work, neither having to comment/uncomment things out, nor have to add/remove config files.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Having the start-at-boot directive allows you to just keep the configuration defined, but the smsc does not start.
>>> So anytime you need it, you just use the start-smsc and then the stop-smsc.
>>> This is much cleaner IMHO than having to do all the extra manual work, no matter how easy that manual work it may be.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A similar discussion was held some months ago, can't remember what new directive it was, where the directive was finally added, since it was seen it was helpful.
>>> Not all directives are used by everyone or may be useful for everybody, that happens on any piece of software, but does not mean it's not useful, nor that it should not be added. I don't care about the WAP related parts of Kannel for example, and that doesn't mean I believe they should not exist. Adding useful things to Kannel is something that makes Kannel a better product, so I don't really see why not to add it. Maybe if it was something complicated that really messed up with the code, could be, but this is definitely not the case.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2011/4/18 Nikos Balkanas <[email protected]>
>>> 
>>> What about the HTTP command start-smsc:
>>> 
>>> It reloads the smsc and starts them from configuration. Therefore you could have the smsc commented out at start, then enable it in the configuration and start it from the web interface, without stooping kannel. Is that not adequate?
>>> 
>>> BR,
>>> Nikos
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Gottgens" <[email protected]>
>>> To: "Alvaro Cornejo" <[email protected]>
>>> Cc: "Alexander Malysh" <[email protected]>; "Kannel Devel" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 11:24 PM
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: useful patches for everyone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> i second that. Having the ability to start kannel with some of the binds down
>>> is so much easier in HA/Failover environments.
>>> 
>>> Monday, April 18, 2011, 8:31:05 PM, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> AC> Hi Alex
>>> 
>>> AC> Another use would be when having backup links. I do use over 20 modems
>>> AC> but not have all enabled at start. In order to not to have to reload
>>> AC> kannel when a new modem is needed, I do start kannel and then stop all
>>> AC> the backup modems and I have to do the same whenever I restart kannel
>>> AC> or the server
>>> 
>>> AC> I'll love to have this feature in standard kannel
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Best regards,
>>> Thomas                            mailto:[email protected]
>>> 
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