Re: Please Mozilla, Pay attention to accessibility for Linux users

On 12/18/2010 5:05 chela, Jason White wrote:
> Burt Henry<[email protected]>  wrote:
>> I do not know enough about any details to help solve the problems,
>> but many web-pages are almost un-navigable.
>
> What are the Orca bug report numbers for all of your issues? Have these been
> identified by developers as Mozilla problems and reported as Mozilla bugs?
>
> In my experience, the Mozilla project is quite responsive when
> accessibility-related bugs are properly reported.
>
> Which version of Firefox are you running? Do you have the Orca focus tracking
> options set correctly in the Firefox-specific Orca preferences? If you're not
> sure, please take up the issues on the Orca mailing list. For Orca 2.30.2 and
> Firefox 3.6 and above, the default focus tracking doesn't need to be changed;
> but it does have to be switched if you're running Firefox 3.5 or earlier with
> Orca 2.30.	

> Orca has some known performance issues and there's a project under development
> to address these. Some of the funding is coming from Mozilla if I remember
> correctly.
>
> My own experience of running Firefox with Orca has been markedly better than
> yours.
>
I've just switched from the standard Orca 2.30.2 to latest stable (think 
its 2.9.95 or some such)
  and performance is somewhat better.
For the record I've used only firefox 3.6 since mostly migrating to 
Linux in the summer... think it's 3.6.12 now...
I have also tried playing with focus settings, and no I can't tell you 
all the bug-report numbers...I don't have time, nor should I have to 
spend the time to list these as they are widely known issues in the 
blind-Ubuntu community...
Orca is not the program one would ultimately hope for, but from those 
who do have the time to spend on yet another list, the consensus is that 
many of the problems are with how Mozilla gives accessibility to the 
screen-reader in Linux... (works great with NVDA in windows)
My biggest problem that is clearly Mozilla's responsibility is that 
caused with latest t-bird update.
Message lists are now and suddenly pretty much un-navigable since 3.1.7. 
3.1.6 was quite accessible, but sadly I can't seem to find the exact 
build of 3.1.6 that was used in the Vinux distro of Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 
ltd. The Vinux folks did nothing to the Ubuntu version from what they 
say, but the versions I get from the ubuntuzilla site (think that's was 
what it was called) don't work exactly as the original did, nor does it 
show up the same on the gui menus.
I'm a big Mozi fan, and I'm glad that firefox works well for you, but 
you either do not have a good base-line to compare to, or are the rare 
exception from what I can gather from talking to other blind-linux users.
At any rate, I'm no whining blind newbee, so don't get defensive with 
me, and until I learn to code well I won't be wasting my time on the 
Orca list.
Orca is what we have , so I won't be bad-mouthing it, but it does kinda 
suck when you compare it to another fos project: NVDA.
(may not be completely their fault of course...the nature of the beast 
is a bit different because of the OS I suppose, and I hear)
Best wishes for fast browsing, and hopefully with firefox...
B..H.


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