Re: Censorship Communist style

On 1/10/21 9:06 AM, Wolf K wrote:
> On 2021-01-09 21:47, Ken Springer wrote:
>> On 1/9/21 4:12 PM, Wolf K wrote:
>>> On 2021-01-09 17:45, Ken Springer wrote:

<snip>

> > Article Section i: "....Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the
> Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole
> Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be
> entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person
> holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be
> appointed an Elector.
>       The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by
> Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant
> of the same State with themselves...."
> 
> The question of whom they shall vote for is left open. Most State
> legislatures eventually closed this loophole.

I'll give you this one.  LOL  I must have been thinking of the fact that 
the phrase "Electoral College" is not in the Constitution.

>>> AFAIK, most have legislated that the winner takes all the
>>> Electoral Votes.
>>
>> I believe it's either 3 or 5 states do otherwise.
>>
>>> The Colorado case you mention implies that Colorado did
>>> not mandate that Electors vote according to the popular vote. Id that
>>> the case?
>>
>> Colorado does, but the one elector decided, for what ever reason, he/she
>> would not obey that, and the court upheld the choice.
> 
> Interesting. The Court's decision in effect limited the State's right to
> determine how the Electors shall carry out their duties. If this was not
> a SCOTUS decision, the issue has not been settled.

I don't know which court made the decision.  It could be the state 
didn't want to spend the resources on appeals.

>> Personal suspicion, you can't force someone to vote a certain way.
> 
> You can, if the person is appointed as an agent.
> 
>> The US is not a democracy.  The US is a Democratic Republic, comprised
>> of 50 free and independent states.  Another fact the news media never
>> mentions.
> 
> Erm, I've heard this opinion voiced frequently by NYT opinion
> columnists, among other places. :-)

Even Benjamin Franklin called it a republic.  Since he  signed both the 
Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution, I'll take his word 
for it.  <G>

This seems to be a good site for explaining he difference..

https://www.thoughtco.com/republic-vs-democracy-4169936

I like this quote of James Madison  from the site"

>  Founding Father James Madison may have best described the difference between a democracy and a republic:
> 
>     “It [the difference] is that in a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person: in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, must be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.” 

Note the comments whee it says a republic protects the rights of the 
minority (we are not talking racial minority here) where a direct 
democracy doesn't.  If you've seen the new House rules set by Speaker 
Pelosi, you'll note she has restricted the rights of the minority party.

> Although you may hear it on Fox. [....]
> 
> One hears a lot of things on Fox.

True, but some of the things are correct and some are false.  The same 
is true of all the networks.  And int the rush to report the news, the 
info given is often incomplete and in error.

Yesterday, I was watching Fredericka Whitfield on CNN, and she had a 
guest that said you should watch all sources of news if you want to be 
informed.  Which I've said for a very long time.

"He who stays in his own backyard wallows in his own ignorance."

> Anyhow, I think that's a distinction without a difference. A Republic
> differs in  two ways from a Monarchy: a) the Head of State is elected;
> and b) the people are Citizens, not Subjects. That is, their loyalty is
> to the State, not to the Head of Sate.

True, but I didn't think we were discussing a Monarchy.  :-)

> Whether a Republic is or is not a democracy depends entirely on how it
> has defined who shall vote, in what manner, and for what office(s). This
> makes "democracy" a matter of degree and variation.
> 
> As for the "free and independent states", from here in Canada it doesn't
> look like that at all. For example, Colorado cannot decide to wage war
> on any other State (within or outside the USA). Large parts of its land
> are under Federal jurisdiction. Many powers were from the beginning
> circumscribed, and many more have been limited by Federal law and SCOTUS
> decisions. For example, while Colorado can do what it likes with its
> education system, it cannot claim Federal subsidies for education unless
> it conforms to Federal rules about education. Also keep in mind that
> unlike any of the thirteen original States, Colorado is a creature of
> the US government.
> 
> Moreover, and IMO of crucial importance, Colorado can regulate trade
> only within its own borders. AIUI, Colorado cannot levy customs
> duties/etc on imported and exported goods. It can regulate what's sold
> within the State, which in effect regulates the import/export by
> adjusting incentives for traders. By contrast, the Federal government
> has the right to regulate inter-State trade, and Federal law can and
> does override State law (e.g., Federal labour law applies to any railway
> that crosses State boundaries.)

These are all things that have changed/evolved over time.  Sometimes 
they  are a good things, and other times, maybe not.  IIRC, at the 
beginning, states did charge tariffs and such on thing coming from other 
states.
> [...]
> 
> We could go on, but probably shouldn't. :-)

Yea, if there's still any readers of this thread other than use, they 
may be getting POed over "forded" education!  LOL

But it's been a good discussion, and I've enjoyed it.

> For the record, I read the US Constitution at least once every year.
> 
> Best,
> 


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