Re: Censorship is becoming ridiculous

On 1/12/21 9:20 PM, Hartdonor wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 09:54:23 -0700, in mozilla.general, Ken Springer
> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/12/21 7:33 AM, Hartdonor wrote:
>>> I believe in Liberty. Libertarianism and classical liberalism are pretty
>>> cool things.
>>
>> Libertarianism sounds good on paper, but it can lead to situations such
>> as described in the following famous quioe.
>>
>>> First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist.
>>> Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade
>>> unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.
>>> Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
>>
>> Sometimes you have to be your Brother's Keeper, both  as individuals and
>> as a group.
> 
> Not every libertarian is Rand Paul, Ken.

And I don't always believe in his position/

> To me, libertarianism is fundamentally "leave people alone if they're not
> hurting each other." Increase the space of liberty as the best way to
> maintain peace and order. The space is naturally diverse, but not
> forcibly diversified. Diversity, to me, is a staple of libertarianism.

How does  this work if not everyone agrees  with your position?

> Persecution is not. "Coming for people" because they don't toe the line
> of conformity is not. Benign difference should not result in persecution.

But it does, and  all too often.

> So, if they come for "the socialists," or Trumpers, or anyone else who
> hasn't violated someone's rights or a just law (or encouraged others to
> do those things), then I'm going to speak up on their behalf. Immediately
> and loudly.
> 
> But if we're going to be our "Brother's Keepers," I'd say it works better
> if it is mutually agreed upon and therefore enthusiastically embraced.

I never said anything different.

> So, IMHO, we're just going to have to continue to talk to people about
> that one. TBS, you don't have to convince me. I believe in the social
> contract. Liberty _is_ a social contract.
> 


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