Re: [native-lang] New template project

Charles Schulz wrote:

>>> I must say that I am quite puzzled to read this. First, I would like to
>>> ask if this project was proposed according to the appropriate way? I'm
>>> not saying it is a bad idea, I'm just saying that it's good to follow
>>> the guidelines.
>>
>> What do you mean by the 'appropriate way', please?  We have an i-team with all 
>> the interested parties involved - including UX, QA and documentation.  
>> Apologies for forgetting [email protected] :-( - please see 
>> below.
> 
> Well, I was confused between the two parts of the spec. I think that if
> there had been an actual proposal for a new templates project a proposal
> should have been drafted and sent to several lists. At this point
> though, I think it should be welcome and perhaps more effective to take
> away anything related to the repository of templates question out of the
> existing spec.

Charles, you can't expect that every new feature that is planned by
whomever will be announced everywhere. Not including the documentation
project was probably a mistake and Jan already has agreed to this
assessment. I for myself are not sure about this: does it mean that the
documentation project wants to be notified about every plan to change a
dialog in OOo? Because more than this didn't happen until now.

Besides that I'm glad to see that the value of writing specs and
"talking early" is seen by at least some people outside of Hamburg. :-)

> Jan, don't take it personnally of course. I just think that given
> Novell's quite hectic news and the reactions of many -my opinion
> notwhistanding here- the way that Novell engineers could handle the
> present situation on the templates do not help to improve the image of
> Novell. That's very unfortunate. I'm just talking damage control and
> public image, but of course I do understand that it is not your job .

You shouldn't blame Jan or Novell here. All other people involved in
this agreed on the way how we have set up the iTeam. Again: you can't
expect that every new feature is announced publicly. The iTeam is
already quite big. And it's only about the coding of the new dialog, not
related to templates themselves.

>>> I do  
>>> simply not understand why Sun engineers all of a sudden decided to take
>>> the OOo templates elsewhere without notifying anyone. If you want to
>>> change the specs on the UI in order to make a better use of the
>>> templates, I'm fine with it, but please do not enter that new Templates
>>> project thing which is as it seems quite cheesy for the moment.
>>> Communication, folks. Communication.

Sorry, where do you read that anybody wanted to take templates
elsewhere? And especially where do you read that it was a Sun engineer?
IIRC it was just an idea (IIRC from Caolan?), not even a feature. And we
haven't set up an iTeam for this, just for the coding of a new template
dialog. This still is a feature like any other one and is treated as any
other one.

Ciao,
Mathias