Re: [native-lang] Position of Native-Lang and other non-coding parts of the communty [was: New template project]

Hi Clytie, all

Clytie Siddall wrote:
> 
> On 03/12/2006, at 11:30 AM, Bernhard Dippold wrote (in conclusion):
> 
>> I don't want OpenOffice.org to be divided in subprojects where nobody 
>> feels to be part of the whole but only of it's *own* project. Many 
>> community members are part of several projects and subscribed to a lot 
>> of lists. If we all work on interaction between projects and 
>> idividuals this will improve communication - and depending on the 
>> reaction of the addressed we'll be able to distinguish between 
>> inattentiveness and intentional ignorance.
> 
> This is my first OOo release, so I can't speak with much experience of 
> this project. However, I do have a good deal of experience in other 
> free-software i18n projects, and I do notice the differences between 
> them and this project.
> 
> Communication with localizers is definitely one of the key differences. 
> All my other projects have a very open pipe with i18n.
> 
> I've been surprised not to see frequent mails on this or the dev@l10n 
> list, requesting translations of modules, webpages, documentation, wiki 
> pages, release notes etc. I don't see the requests for feedback on 
> fonts, input code etc., except today's mail about the OFL. I have seen 
> little or no discussion of l10n bugs and the continual effort to fix them.
> 
> I know there's a lot of effort going on in each project, but we don't 
> seem to be talking to each other very much. And the rest of the project 
> is like another world, unless you're on lists for other parts of OOo. 
> Even then, there's a very fragged feel about the overall project.

Yes you're right, and I think that several project feel alone or 
isolated. We should be here a central place or a kind or interface 
relying what is happening in the development projects and our communities.
For example, the PM project seems to have a new roadmap and is 
requesting for helpers.
http://oopm.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=409
May be some people in our communities will enjoy to participate. It may 
be companies, students or individual, who knows ?.

> 
> There's probably a lot of politics and history behind our situation 
> today. I don't know about it, and I don't know if we really have to know 
> about it. All we have to do is build something _now_, that works. And 
> communication holds it all together.

I don't think either that knowing about the history behind the situation 
is necessary. Communication is an old topic and even if we have made 
progress over the years, there is still a lot to do and new issues are 
joining too. So we really need to build the project with new ideas and 
new energies.

Kind regards
Sophie