Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]

Hi,

On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote:

> Hi to everyone,
> 
> I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I was offline for
> some time.
> 
> Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron,

….and also the entire list and world: these archives are public.

> 
> Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian localization 'live' again
> in OO.o site, but  we have taken some efforts to make it live in FLOSSK
> (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's the work that we are
> tryibg to accomplish in localising the updates for OO.o 3.+, and having new
> young people on team, on the field.
> 
> Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle the Albanian Lead
> to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not lead only to
> this small step.
> As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded, localizes and build.
> If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I would be more than
> happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results as proof.
> 
> Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something so far. I'm
> aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's life.

Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-)

> 
> Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian.
> 
> Best Regards,

> Shkumbin
> 
Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your email alias. Right now, it's "Open Office Shqip" and that would suggest to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies that you are a representative (in some official capacity) of OpenOffice.org. I'm sure you do not want to confuse people, so please change the alias to something less confusing. Thanks.

-louis
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> To reiterate the point:
>> 
>> A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the l10n project:
>> http://l10n.openoffice.org and [email protected].  NLC is no really
>> suited for localization efforts. Please work there to coordinate your
>> efforts.
>> 
>> B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working on this. Is
>> that the case? Do you know? What have you done to determine that?
>> 
>> C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize OOo to
>> Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case, forming an NLC
>> project makes sense. So:
>> 
>> 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not responded to you or
>> to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period of time--say
>> within this week--and if there is a living community (uhm,  say active--why
>> discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work with them by
>> using the project list to move the localization ahead.
>> 
>> 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the webpages, etc. If
>> no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can do that for
>> you. Effectively, you would become the project lead, though webmaster is not
>> the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you should co-ordinate
>> with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that who is in
>> control of the pages and lists is known and accepted by all.
>> 
>> I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to this: Don't wait
>> on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going on  the
>> localization if you have the resources or energies to get others to work on
>> it.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Louis
>> On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Please, can anyone look into my issue?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hello dev list,
>>>> 
>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq), but
>> there has not been any response for far.
>>>> 
>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja at
>> all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe
>> this team is not active anymore.
>>>> 
>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to
>> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him.
>>>> 
>>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years
>> ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Please help. I want to take over this project and get some active people
>> involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating OpenOffice for
>> Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the right level to translate since
>> only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit.
>>>> But, can only guess that many of them tried to register here, but
>> because no one admitted they have found another place to have fun.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> //Agroni
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Subject:
>>>> Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years
>>>> From:
>>>> Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
>>>> Date:
>>>> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500
>>>> To:
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> 
>>>> To:
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> CC:
>>>> [email protected]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, Agroni,
>>>> 
>>>> On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , [email protected] wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Charles and Louis,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team (sq),
>> but there has not been any response for far.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin Saneja
>> at all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I believe
>> this team is not active anymore.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs to
>> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because of him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost 5 years
>> ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please help.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> //Agroni
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader lists via
>> dev@native-lang and also dev@l10n about this situation. It's normal in
>> Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for the responsible to
>> disappear as they become engaged in other (often remunerative) activities.
>> It's life. But equally, we can always and always are soliciting new
>> interest.
>>>> 
>>>> Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also wonder if it would
>> help to engage government support?
>>>> Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is good. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> Ciao
>>>> Louis
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> To comment on the following update, log in, then open the issue:
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> User agroni changed the following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What |Old value |New value
>>>>> 
>> ================================================================================
>>>>> Component|native-lang |l10n
>>>>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> QA contact|issues@native-lang |issues@l10n
>>>>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------- Additional comments from [email protected] Sun Feb 7
>> 02:19:42 +0000 2010 -------
>>>>> Still no response from no one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this project.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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