Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]

James,

As I said, nothing is going to happen until you and others RTFM .
Read my message, again, and see exactly how you should submit ssh keys.

Charles.  

Le Sun, 7 Mar 2010 16:42:02 +0100,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> a
écrit :

> I am willing to talk over the lead until I find someone else to
> replace me. Here are my keys,
> the SCA, I can do asap.
> mike
> https://launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/+sshkeys
> 
> 
> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz <
> [email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would first like to thank Shkumbin for his contributions these
> > past years. I am eager to see the Albanian project grow and work
> > againwith Flossk or anyone who is willing and able to carry this
> > project forward.
> >
> > Unfortunately we cannot advance any further at that time until
> > Shkumbin has formally appointed a new lead (change his role from
> > observer to Project Lead). The new lead shall 1) upload his/her ssh
> > keys, sign and fax the SCA.
> >
> > This is explained here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org and here:
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC
> >
> > Until any of these steps have been completed we cannot consider
> > that we have a project and a leadership. If necessary, Louis
> > Suarez-Potts can change the role of the person whose new leadership
> > role has been agreed on. But even today, it's even unclear who
> > we're talking to. Please note that there can be two leads, if
> > necessary.
> >
> > Best,
> > Charles-H. Schulz.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Le Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:25:33 +0100,
> > "[email protected]" <[email protected]> a
> > écrit :
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > We (flossk) have gotten the sources from shumbin, he is very busy.
> > > He came and spoke at the conference, I will have the videos
> > > online in some time.
> > > Agron is also part of flossk, I would like to see flossk taking a
> > > larger role in openoffice,
> > > it would be great to hold a openoffice workshop in kosovo and
> > > albania, can we get someone to come to one of the conferences
> > > this year: http://kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/
> > > http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=8871
> > > thanks,
> > > mike
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi to everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I was
> > > > > offline
> > > > for
> > > > > some time.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron,
> > > >
> > > > ….and also the entire list and world: these archives are public.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian
> > > > > localization 'live'
> > > > again
> > > > > in OO.o site, but  we have taken some efforts to make it live
> > > > > in FLOSSK (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's
> > > > > the work that we are tryibg to accomplish in localising the
> > > > > updates for OO.o 3.+, and having
> > > > new
> > > > > young people on team, on the field.
> > > > >
> > > > > Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle the
> > > > > Albanian
> > > > Lead
> > > > > to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not
> > > > > lead only
> > > > to
> > > > > this small step.
> > > > > As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded,
> > > > > localizes and
> > > > build.
> > > > > If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I
> > > > > would be more
> > > > than
> > > > > happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results as
> > > > > proof.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something
> > > > > so far. I'm aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's
> > > > > life.
> > > >
> > > > Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-)
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > > > Shkumbin
> > > > >
> > > > Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your
> > > > email alias. Right now, it's "Open Office Shqip" and that would
> > > > suggest to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies that you
> > > > are a representative (in some official capacity) of
> > > > OpenOffice.org. I'm sure you do not want to confuse people, so
> > > > please change the alias to something less confusing. Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > -louis
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > > > <[email protected]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> To reiterate the point:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the
> > > > >> l10n
> > > > project:
> > > > >> http://l10n.openoffice.org and [email protected].  NLC
> > > > >> is no
> > > > really
> > > > >> suited for localization efforts. Please work there to
> > > > >> coordinate your efforts.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working
> > > > >> on this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done to
> > > > >> determine that?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize
> > > > >> OOo to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case,
> > > > >> forming an NLC project makes sense. So:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not
> > > > >> responded to you
> > > > or
> > > > >> to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period of
> > > > >> time--say within this week--and if there is a living
> > > > >> community (uhm,  say
> > > > active--why
> > > > >> discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work
> > > > >> with them
> > > > by
> > > > >> using the project list to move the localization ahead.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the
> > > > >> webpages, etc.
> > > > If
> > > > >> no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can
> > > > >> do that for you. Effectively, you would become the project
> > > > >> lead, though webmaster is
> > > > not
> > > > >> the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you
> > > > >> should
> > > > co-ordinate
> > > > >> with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that
> > > > >> who is in control of the pages and lists is known and
> > > > >> accepted by all.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to
> > > > >> this: Don't
> > > > wait
> > > > >> on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going
> > > > >> on the localization if you have the resources or energies to
> > > > >> get others to work
> > > > on
> > > > >> it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Best,
> > > > >> Louis
> > > > >> On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Please, can anyone look into my issue?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Hello dev list,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > > > >>>> team (sq),
> > > > but
> > > > >> there has not been any response for far.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > > > >>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > > > at
> > > > >> all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > > > >> 1.1.4 I
> > > > believe
> > > > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > > > >>>> needs to
> > > > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive
> > > > >> because of him.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was
> > > > >>>>> almost 5 years
> > > > >> ago.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Please help. I want to take over this project and get some
> > > > >>>> active
> > > > people
> > > > >> involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating
> > > > >> OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the
> > > > >> right level to translate
> > > > since
> > > > >> only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit.
> > > > >>>> But, can only guess that many of them tried to register
> > > > >>>> here, but
> > > > >> because no one admitted they have found another place to have
> > > > >> fun.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>> //Agroni
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Subject:
> > > > >>>> Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4
> > > > >>>> years From:
> > > > >>>> Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
> > > > >>>> Date:
> > > > >>>> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500
> > > > >>>> To:
> > > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> To:
> > > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>> CC:
> > > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Hello, Agroni,
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Hi Charles and Louis,
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > > > >>>>> team (sq),
> > > > >> but there has not been any response for far.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > > > >>>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > > > >> at all.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > > > >>>>> 1.1.4 I
> > > > believe
> > > > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > > > >>>>> needs to
> > > > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive
> > > > >> because of him.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was
> > > > >>>>> almost 5 years
> > > > >> ago.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Please help.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > > >>>>> //Agroni
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader
> > > > >>>> lists via
> > > > >> dev@native-lang and also dev@l10n about this situation. It's
> > > > >> normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for
> > > > >> the responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other
> > > > >> (often remunerative)
> > > > activities.
> > > > >> It's life. But equally, we can always and always are
> > > > >> soliciting new interest.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also
> > > > >>>> wonder if it
> > > > would
> > > > >> help to engage government support?
> > > > >>>> Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is
> > > > >>>> good. :-)
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Ciao
> > > > >>>> Louis
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > > > >>>>> To comment on the following update, log in, then open the
> > > > >>>>> issue:
> > > > >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> User agroni changed the following:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> What |Old value |New value
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>
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> > > > >>>>> ------- Additional comments from [email protected] Sun
> > > > >>>>> Feb 7
> > > > >> 02:19:42 +0000 2010 -------
> > > > >>>>> Still no response from no one.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this
> > > > >>>>> project.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post
> > > > >>>>> here.
> > > > >>>>>
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