Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]

I am willing to talk over the lead until I find someone else to replace me.
Here are my keys,
the SCA, I can do asap.
mike
https://launchpad.net/~jamesmikedupont/+sshkeys


On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Charles-H. Schulz <
[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I would first like to thank Shkumbin for his contributions these past
> years. I am eager to see the Albanian project grow and work againwith
> Flossk or anyone who is willing and able to carry this project forward.
>
> Unfortunately we cannot advance any further at that time until Shkumbin
> has formally appointed a new lead (change his role from observer to
> Project Lead). The new lead shall 1) upload his/her ssh keys, sign and
> fax the SCA.
>
> This is explained here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org and here:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC
>
> Until any of these steps have been completed we cannot consider that we
> have a project and a leadership. If necessary, Louis Suarez-Potts can
> change the role of the person whose new leadership role has been agreed
> on. But even today, it's even unclear who we're talking to. Please note
> that there can be two leads, if necessary.
>
> Best,
> Charles-H. Schulz.
>
>
>
>
> Le Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:25:33 +0100,
> "[email protected]" <[email protected]> a
> écrit :
>
> > Hi,
> > We (flossk) have gotten the sources from shumbin, he is very busy.
> > He came and spoke at the conference, I will have the videos online in
> > some time.
> > Agron is also part of flossk, I would like to see flossk taking a
> > larger role in openoffice,
> > it would be great to hold a openoffice workshop in kosovo and albania,
> > can we get someone to come to one of the conferences this year:
> > http://kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/
> > http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=8871
> > thanks,
> > mike
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi to everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I was
> > > > offline
> > > for
> > > > some time.
> > > >
> > > > Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron,
> > >
> > > ….and also the entire list and world: these archives are public.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian localization
> > > > 'live'
> > > again
> > > > in OO.o site, but  we have taken some efforts to make it live in
> > > > FLOSSK (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's the work
> > > > that we are tryibg to accomplish in localising the updates for
> > > > OO.o 3.+, and having
> > > new
> > > > young people on team, on the field.
> > > >
> > > > Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle the
> > > > Albanian
> > > Lead
> > > > to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not
> > > > lead only
> > > to
> > > > this small step.
> > > > As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded, localizes
> > > > and
> > > build.
> > > > If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I would
> > > > be more
> > > than
> > > > happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results as
> > > > proof.
> > > >
> > > > Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something so
> > > > far. I'm aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's life.
> > >
> > > Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-)
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian.
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > > Shkumbin
> > > >
> > > Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your email
> > > alias. Right now, it's "Open Office Shqip" and that would suggest
> > > to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies that you are a
> > > representative (in some official capacity) of OpenOffice.org. I'm
> > > sure you do not want to confuse people, so please change the alias
> > > to something less confusing. Thanks.
> > >
> > > -louis
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > > <[email protected]>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> To reiterate the point:
> > > >>
> > > >> A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the
> > > >> l10n
> > > project:
> > > >> http://l10n.openoffice.org and [email protected].  NLC is
> > > >> no
> > > really
> > > >> suited for localization efforts. Please work there to coordinate
> > > >> your efforts.
> > > >>
> > > >> B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working on
> > > >> this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done to
> > > >> determine that?
> > > >>
> > > >> C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize OOo
> > > >> to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case,
> > > >> forming an NLC project makes sense. So:
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not
> > > >> responded to you
> > > or
> > > >> to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period of
> > > >> time--say within this week--and if there is a living community
> > > >> (uhm,  say
> > > active--why
> > > >> discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work
> > > >> with them
> > > by
> > > >> using the project list to move the localization ahead.
> > > >>
> > > >> 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the
> > > >> webpages, etc.
> > > If
> > > >> no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can do
> > > >> that for you. Effectively, you would become the project lead,
> > > >> though webmaster is
> > > not
> > > >> the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you should
> > > co-ordinate
> > > >> with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that who
> > > >> is in control of the pages and lists is known and accepted by
> > > >> all.
> > > >>
> > > >> I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to this:
> > > >> Don't
> > > wait
> > > >> on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going on
> > > >> the localization if you have the resources or energies to get
> > > >> others to work
> > > on
> > > >> it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Best,
> > > >> Louis
> > > >> On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Please, can anyone look into my issue?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hello dev list,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team
> > > >>>> (sq),
> > > but
> > > >> there has not been any response for far.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin
> > > >>>> Saneja
> > > at
> > > >> all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > > >> 1.1.4 I
> > > believe
> > > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs
> > > >>>> to
> > > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because
> > > >> of him.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost
> > > >>>>> 5 years
> > > >> ago.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Please help. I want to take over this project and get some
> > > >>>> active
> > > people
> > > >> involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating
> > > >> OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the right
> > > >> level to translate
> > > since
> > > >> only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit.
> > > >>>> But, can only guess that many of them tried to register here,
> > > >>>> but
> > > >> because no one admitted they have found another place to have
> > > >> fun.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>> //Agroni
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Subject:
> > > >>>> Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years
> > > >>>> From:
> > > >>>> Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
> > > >>>> Date:
> > > >>>> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500
> > > >>>> To:
> > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> To:
> > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > >>>> CC:
> > > >>>> [email protected]
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hello, Agroni,
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , [email protected] wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi Charles and Louis,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > > >>>>> team (sq),
> > > >> but there has not been any response for far.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > > >>>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > > >> at all.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I
> > > believe
> > > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > > >>>>> needs to
> > > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because
> > > >> of him.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost
> > > >>>>> 5 years
> > > >> ago.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Please help.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Thanks,
> > > >>>>> //Agroni
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader lists via
> > > >> dev@native-lang and also dev@l10n about this situation. It's
> > > >> normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for the
> > > >> responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other (often
> > > >> remunerative)
> > > activities.
> > > >> It's life. But equally, we can always and always are soliciting
> > > >> new interest.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also wonder
> > > >>>> if it
> > > would
> > > >> help to engage government support?
> > > >>>> Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is
> > > >>>> good. :-)
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ciao
> > > >>>> Louis
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > > >>>>> To comment on the following update, log in, then open the
> > > >>>>> issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> User agroni changed the following:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> What |Old value |New value
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>
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> > > >>>>> ------- Additional comments from [email protected] Sun
> > > >>>>> Feb 7
> > > >> 02:19:42 +0000 2010 -------
> > > >>>>> Still no response from no one.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this project.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post here.
> > > >>>>>
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