Re: [native-lang] Re: [Fwd: Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years]

Hi,

I would first like to thank Shkumbin for his contributions these past
years. I am eager to see the Albanian project grow and work againwith
Flossk or anyone who is willing and able to carry this project forward.

Unfortunately we cannot advance any further at that time until Shkumbin
has formally appointed a new lead (change his role from observer to
Project Lead). The new lead shall 1) upload his/her ssh keys, sign and
fax the SCA. 

This is explained here: http://native-lang.openoffice.org and here:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/NLC

Until any of these steps have been completed we cannot consider that we
have a project and a leadership. If necessary, Louis Suarez-Potts can
change the role of the person whose new leadership role has been agreed
on. But even today, it's even unclear who we're talking to. Please note
that there can be two leads, if necessary.

Best,
Charles-H. Schulz. 




Le Sat, 6 Mar 2010 16:25:33 +0100,
"[email protected]" <[email protected]> a
écrit :

> Hi,
> We (flossk) have gotten the sources from shumbin, he is very busy.
> He came and spoke at the conference, I will have the videos online in
> some time.
> Agron is also part of flossk, I would like to see flossk taking a
> larger role in openoffice,
> it would be great to hold a openoffice workshop in kosovo and albania,
> can we get someone to come to one of the conferences this year:
> http://kosovasoftwarefreedom.org/
> http://www.wikicfp.com/cfp/servlet/event.showcfp?eventid=8871
> thanks,
> mike
> 
> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > On 2010-03-06, at 04:07 , Open Office Shqip wrote:
> >
> > > Hi to everyone,
> > >
> > > I appoologize for not replying earlier in this issue, as I was
> > > offline
> > for
> > > some time.
> > >
> > > Dear Loius, Charlkes and Agron,
> >
> > ….and also the entire list and world: these archives are public.
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks for your interesting on making the albanian localization
> > > 'live'
> > again
> > > in OO.o site, but  we have taken some efforts to make it live in
> > > FLOSSK (Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova). So it's the work
> > > that we are tryibg to accomplish in localising the updates for
> > > OO.o 3.+, and having
> > new
> > > young people on team, on the field.
> > >
> > > Otherwise, I do not have any problem if you want to handle the
> > > Albanian
> > Lead
> > > to Agron, but just I would like to be sure that this will not
> > > lead only
> > to
> > > this small step.
> > > As we know, the OO.o source if free to be downloaded, localizes
> > > and
> > build.
> > > If Agron or anyone come's up with updated localisation, I would
> > > be more
> > than
> > > happy. So, feel free to decide, but just let's have results as
> > > proof.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, so far, only my team have developed something so
> > > far. I'm aware that it didn't went as expected, but that's life.
> >
> > Agroni, et al., let's work together on this. :-)
> >
> > >
> > > Looking forward for a progress in OO.o Albanian.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> >
> > > Shkumbin
> > >
> > Shkumbin: a personal request. Please consider changing your email
> > alias. Right now, it's "Open Office Shqip" and that would suggest
> > to someone unfamiliar with us and our policies that you are a
> > representative (in some official capacity) of OpenOffice.org. I'm
> > sure you do not want to confuse people, so please change the alias
> > to something less confusing. Thanks.
> >
> > -louis
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 6:16 AM, Louis Suarez-Potts
> > > <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> To reiterate the point:
> > >>
> > >> A. For Albanian localization, please work with and within the
> > >> l10n
> > project:
> > >> http://l10n.openoffice.org and [email protected].  NLC is
> > >> no
> > really
> > >> suited for localization efforts. Please work there to coordinate
> > >> your efforts.
> > >>
> > >> B. it's possible (likely?) that you are the only one working on
> > >> this. Is that the case? Do you know? What have you done to
> > >> determine that?
> > >>
> > >> C. Let's say that others join you in this effort to localize OOo
> > >> to Albanian and that this is sustainable... in that case,
> > >> forming an NLC project makes sense. So:
> > >>
> > >> 1. If the supposed lead of the Albanian project has not
> > >> responded to you
> > or
> > >> to us (and I'm cc'ing him here) within a reasonable period of
> > >> time--say within this week--and if there is a living community
> > >> (uhm,  say
> > active--why
> > >> discriminate against the zombies? that's a joke.)--then work
> > >> with them
> > by
> > >> using the project list to move the localization ahead.
> > >>
> > >> 2. It may be that you need the permissions to update the
> > >> webpages, etc.
> > If
> > >> no one is there to grant you those within the project, I can do
> > >> that for you. Effectively, you would become the project lead,
> > >> though webmaster is
> > not
> > >> the same as lead. Still, to make it easier for all, you should
> > co-ordinate
> > >> with the existing community, if any, on this issue, so that who
> > >> is in control of the pages and lists is known and accepted by
> > >> all.
> > >>
> > >> I hope this gets you started. Basically, it comes down to this:
> > >> Don't
> > wait
> > >> on ceremony (but don't be rude, of course) and do get going on
> > >> the localization if you have the resources or energies to get
> > >> others to work
> > on
> > >> it.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Louis
> > >> On 2010-03-01, at 23:34 , Linux Master wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Please, can anyone look into my issue?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hello dev list,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian team
> > >>>> (sq),
> > but
> > >> there has not been any response for far.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have not received any response from the team leader Shkumbin
> > >>>> Saneja
> > at
> > >> all. Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO
> > >> 1.1.4 I
> > believe
> > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader needs
> > >>>> to
> > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because
> > >> of him.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost
> > >>>>> 5 years
> > >> ago.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please help. I want to take over this project and get some
> > >>>> active
> > people
> > >> involved. Many have gone to launchpad and are translating
> > >> OpenOffice for Ubuntu in Albanian. For me, that's not the right
> > >> level to translate
> > since
> > >> only Ubuntu and sub distros of Ubuntu will benefit.
> > >>>> But, can only guess that many of them tried to register here,
> > >>>> but
> > >> because no one admitted they have found another place to have
> > >> fun.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks,
> > >>>> //Agroni
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Subject:
> > >>>> Re: [Issue 103426] Albanian team leader not active for 4 years
> > >>>> From:
> > >>>> Louis Suarez-Potts <[email protected]>
> > >>>> Date:
> > >>>> Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:34:55 -0500
> > >>>> To:
> > >>>> [email protected]
> > >>>>
> > >>>> To:
> > >>>> [email protected]
> > >>>> CC:
> > >>>> [email protected]
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Hello, Agroni,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 2010-02-13, at 21:20 , [email protected] wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi Charles and Louis,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Since August 2009 I have been trying to join the Albanian
> > >>>>> team (sq),
> > >> but there has not been any response for far.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I have not received any response from the team leader
> > >>>>> Shkumbin Saneja
> > >> at all.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Since the last piece of work this team did was for OOO 1.1.4 I
> > believe
> > >> this team is not active anymore.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please look into this matter. If the current team leader
> > >>>>> needs to
> > >> approve things, it means that the whole team is inactive because
> > >> of him.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> From what I can see, the last thing this team did was almost
> > >>>>> 5 years
> > >> ago.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please help.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks,
> > >>>>> //Agroni
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I think the best tactic here is to inform the broader lists via
> > >> dev@native-lang and also dev@l10n about this situation. It's
> > >> normal in Foss projects, which are often volunteer-run, for the
> > >> responsible to disappear as they become engaged in other (often
> > >> remunerative)
> > activities.
> > >> It's life. But equally, we can always and always are soliciting
> > >> new interest.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Given the nature of Albanian and its polity, I'd also wonder
> > >>>> if it
> > would
> > >> help to engage government support?
> > >>>> Foss saves money. Gives freedom. Builds local economies. Is
> > >>>> good. :-)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ciao
> > >>>> Louis
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Feb 6, 2010 09:19:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
> > >>>>> To comment on the following update, log in, then open the
> > >>>>> issue: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=103426
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> User agroni changed the following:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> What |Old value |New value
> > >>>>>
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> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ------- Additional comments from [email protected] Sun
> > >>>>> Feb 7
> > >> 02:19:42 +0000 2010 -------
> > >>>>> Still no response from no one.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Looks like the whole albanian team has abandoned this project.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Please, assign me as a new albanian team leader.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Come on, please, it's been 6 months since the last post here.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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