Re: [ANN] This list is migrating to [email protected]

Rob Weir wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 7:16 AM,<[email protected]>  wrote:
> <snip>
>
>> To be honest, I don't see why Apache can't continue using the existing
>> infrastructure on openoffice.org? incubator.apache.org sounds, to me, like
>> something which is in the early stages of development - which OOo certainly
>> isn't! I know the page at http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/
>> explains otherwise, but if I were not already familiar with OOo I probably
>> wouldn't even have read that far.
>>
>
> You can read more about Apache Incubation here:
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/
>
> All projects that go through Incubation at Apache are already
> established open source projects.  Incubation is not a place to start
> a new codebase.  Apache Labs is where brand new ideas can start.
>
> So the point of Incubation for OOo is not that OOo is new, but that it
> is new to Apache and needs some extra attention to conform to the
> Apache license, integrate with Apache infrastructure and understand
> how Apache projects are run.

I understand that. But if I were a new user looking at that page, who 
was not familiar with OpenOffice.org nor Apache's meaning of 
"incubation", I would probably think the software is not well developed 
and not look at it any further. I might not have even opened a link to 
the page, reading "incubator" in the address and assuming it to be 
under-developed, or if I did I may not read past the first sentence 
which described the project as an "effort undergoing incubation" - 
sounds like it is not yet a successful project.

> I can't really answer your cosmic "why?" question.  We must take it as
> a given fact that Oracle has contributed OOo to Apache and that Oracle
> will be shutting down their hosting of the website.  Once those facts
> are acknowledged -- even if you disagree with those decisions or how
> they were made -- the rest of this, including Apache Incubation and
> list migration, follows naturally.

Oracle have handed over the software, including the OpenOffice.org name 
and branding, but not the openoffice.org domain nor the existing web and 
email list infrastructure? That will also cause confusion, if Apache 
still call the software OpenOffice.org, but there is no up-to-date web 
site for it at openoffice.org!

>> That page also states that "Incubation is required of all newly accepted
>> projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure,
>> communications, and decision making process have stabilized in a manner
>> consistent with other successful ASF projects."
>>
>> Does this mean the infrastructure, mailing list addresses, etc. are going to
>> change *again* once they have stabilized? If that's the case, why not use
>> the existing infrastructure at openoffice.org until Apache are ready to roll
>> out whatever new infrastructure they want to put in place?
>>
>
> Once a project graduates from Incubation it becomes a "top level
> project" or TLP.  At that point the mailing lists will change again,
> e.g. [email protected],org would become
> [email protected].  We can probably make that transition
> easy for subscribers, since it will be still within the same list
> infrastructure.

So we're expected to subscribe to [email protected] now, 
and will soon be expected to subscribe yet again to 
[email protected]... (or at least change the address we send 
email to, again)

I'm sorry to say, I will also be looking at joining those moving over to 
LibreOffice (not that I contribute anywhere near as much here as some 
others do). If nothing else, it seems to be much more stable in terms of 
supporting infrastructure, and even who owns it!

>
> -Rob
>
>> Mark.
>>
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