Re: Re: What ubiquitous language should we speak?

If you only have one domain expert is it really ddd?  I always think that ends up being waterfall. Especially if pushback is frowned upon. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Luis Abreu <[email protected]>
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Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2013 00:00:54 
To: <[email protected]>
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Subject: Re: [domaindrivendesign] Re: What ubiquitous language should we speak?

in a mixed-language environment,  and in my experience, companies  pick a
language which is used by everybody. What you say is true, but it's also
true that using a language which isn't understood by the domain expert
might end up getting you into trouble too...


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, guterfluss <[email protected]> wrote:

> **
>
>
> Hi, thanks for the reply.
>
> So, I'm talking in dutch. The domain expert speaks dutch. The classes and
> method names in the domain model are in dutch.
>
> And then suddenly the domain expert is replaced by someone else. He only
> speaks french and some english.
>
> Or... our dutch oriented company is taken over by an international company
> and the source code is now maintained by another team. Somewhere in the US.
> They have no idea what those classes and method names mean.
>
> It just seams very dangerous to express your UL in something else than
> english.
>
> Greetings
> Jan
>
>
> --- In [email protected], Luis Abreu <labreu@...> wrote:
> >
> > Probably use different languages for different bc according with the
> > language spoken by that bc's domain expert?
> > On May 31, 2013 11:13 PM, "guterfluss" <guterfluss@...> wrote:
> >
> > > **
>
> > >
> > >
> > > I live in Belgium. The upper part speaks dutch, the lower french. My
> > > native tongue is dutch. The domain experts we work with speak dutch,
> french
> > > or sometimes english.
> > >
> > > Sometimes we even have a dutch speaking domain expert that leaves the
> > > company and is replaced by a french speaking domain expert.
> > >
> > > For these reasons I see no other possibility than to use english as the
> > > universal language. Unless you would know for sure that your customer
> will
> > > always be using dutch speaking domain experts.
> > >
> > > However, talking to domain experts in a language that is not yours and
> is
> > > not theirs as well is not that hard, but you tend to miss a lot of the
> > > small details of the language.
> > >
> > > So currently, we're constructing our UL by translating it from
> > > dutch/french to english. The code is in english, the conversations
> with the
> > > domain experts are in dutch or french.
> > >
> > > The sad thing is that the translations aren't always very good. We
> might
> > > use google translate to come up with some english translation but most
> of
> > > the time we end up with plain poor english. Things like
> > > 'something.assignSomethingElse()' or 'something.updated()' or
> > > 'something.doXXX'.
> > >
> > > So I guess, english speaking developers have a head start on others
> when
> > > doing DDD.
> > >
> > > I would like to know what others do in this situation when working in
> an
> > > environment where the language is not english, where you're working
> with
> > > domain experts that don't speak your language or when suddenly your
> domain
> > > expert's language changed.
> > >
> > > What ubiquitous language should we speak?
> > >
> > > Greetings
> > > Jan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>  
>



-- 
Regards,
Luis Abreu