Re: Re: What ubiquitous language should we speak?

Nobody said only domain expert. I said that companies typically pick one
language and that there was a chance of using one language per bc in the
worst case scenario. Anyway, these were just possibilities, not definitive
answers...
On Jun 2, 2013 1:30 AM, <[email protected]> wrote:

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> ** If you only have one domain expert is it really ddd? I always think
> that ends up being waterfall. Especially if pushback is frowned upon.
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> *From: * Luis Abreu <[email protected]>
> *Sender: * [email protected]
> *Date: *Sun, 2 Jun 2013 00:00:54 +0100
> *To: *<[email protected]>
> *ReplyTo: * [email protected]
> *Subject: *Re: [domaindrivendesign] Re: What ubiquitous language should
> we speak?
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> in a mixed-language environment,  and in my experience, companies  pick a
> language which is used by everybody. What you say is true, but it's also
> true that using a language which isn't understood by the domain expert
> might end up getting you into trouble too...
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> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:28 PM, guterfluss <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> Hi, thanks for the reply.
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>> So, I'm talking in dutch. The domain expert speaks dutch. The classes and
>> method names in the domain model are in dutch.
>>
>> And then suddenly the domain expert is replaced by someone else. He only
>> speaks french and some english.
>>
>> Or... our dutch oriented company is taken over by an international
>> company and the source code is now maintained by another team. Somewhere in
>> the US. They have no idea what those classes and method names mean.
>>
>> It just seams very dangerous to express your UL in something else than
>> english.
>>
>> Greetings
>> Jan
>>
>>
>> --- In [email protected], Luis Abreu <labreu@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Probably use different languages for different bc according with the
>> > language spoken by that bc's domain expert?
>> > On May 31, 2013 11:13 PM, "guterfluss" <guterfluss@...> wrote:
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>> > > **
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>> > > I live in Belgium. The upper part speaks dutch, the lower french. My
>> > > native tongue is dutch. The domain experts we work with speak dutch,
>> french
>> > > or sometimes english.
>> > >
>> > > Sometimes we even have a dutch speaking domain expert that leaves the
>> > > company and is replaced by a french speaking domain expert.
>> > >
>> > > For these reasons I see no other possibility than to use english as
>> the
>> > > universal language. Unless you would know for sure that your customer
>> will
>> > > always be using dutch speaking domain experts.
>> > >
>> > > However, talking to domain experts in a language that is not yours
>> and is
>> > > not theirs as well is not that hard, but you tend to miss a lot of the
>> > > small details of the language.
>> > >
>> > > So currently, we're constructing our UL by translating it from
>> > > dutch/french to english. The code is in english, the conversations
>> with the
>> > > domain experts are in dutch or french.
>> > >
>> > > The sad thing is that the translations aren't always very good. We
>> might
>> > > use google translate to come up with some english translation but
>> most of
>> > > the time we end up with plain poor english. Things like
>> > > 'something.assignSomethingElse()' or 'something.updated()' or
>> > > 'something.doXXX'.
>> > >
>> > > So I guess, english speaking developers have a head start on others
>> when
>> > > doing DDD.
>> > >
>> > > I would like to know what others do in this situation when working in
>> an
>> > > environment where the language is not english, where you're working
>> with
>> > > domain experts that don't speak your language or when suddenly your
>> domain
>> > > expert's language changed.
>> > >
>> > > What ubiquitous language should we speak?
>> > >
>> > > Greetings
>> > > Jan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
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> --
> Regards,
> Luis Abreu
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