Re: Re: Sticking point

On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 5:34:03 PM, Alleman, Glen B. wrote:

[>>] Here's some Suggestions - drop the Zen Master approach and the
> "enlightening" the unwashed, adopt the business manager style, pretend
> you're the CIO or at least a Director of Development, heck you've been a
> VP so this can't be too hard. Like your Longmont talk, focus on real
> bookable benefits that can be put on the wall and compared to the
> current situation. 

> I and my colleagues here are naturally skeptical and when the Zen Master
> rhetoric comes out I turn off, get annoyed, or even belligerent, so from
> the business persons view it's like the "teaching the pig to dance
> story" - you can't do it and it makes the pig mad - try another
> approach. A straight forward ROI discussion with REAL numbers no hand
> waving; no "I know a guy once who made it work." 

> You are very well traveled and should have lots of real world examples
> of how "Agile" can be introduced into a higher-ceremony environments,
> love to hear them minus the Zen Master hat. We wear boots and hard hats
> here, so try those on and see of they fit.

Thanks for the input.

Ron Jeffries
www.XProgramming.com
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