Re: Summing up and moving on (I hope)

Bill,

"BW" == Bill Walton wrote:

 BW> Andrey Khavryuchenko wrote:
 >> "BW" == Bill Walton wrote:
 >> 
 BW> My passion was, and is, discovering / developing a line of reasoning,
 BW> a set of analogies,
 >> 
 >> Tricking into?

 BW> I don't understand your question.

Your words above associate with 'trickering', not with solving problems.

 BW> and a set of evidence
 >> What kind of?

 BW> Evidence that software development is like the analogies.

What?  Software development is like software development.  

 BW> that makes a compelling case for the argument that outsourcing /
 BW> offshoring a business' IT is short-sighted and counter to the
 BW> business' development / maintenance of a long-term competitive
 BW> position in their market.

BTW, if you're concerned with long-term competitive position on market, why
you start with solution, not the issues the audience expressed to you?

 >> I disagree with this argument.

 BW> OK.  Please make your case.  Why, in your opinion, is outsourcing /
 BW> offshoring a business' IT in the best interests of the business'
 BW> development / maintenance of its long-term competitive position in its
 BW> market.

Don't put your words in my mouth.  The above is not my case.

I think that there's no predefined 'best' answer to all situations.  The
insourcing/outsourcing decision better to be made on case-by-case basis.

 BW> I believe that XP and its practices may form the basis for the
 BW> solution to problems that outsourcing "solves."  Those problems lie in
 BW> the business domain.  I am passionate about learning more about those
 BW> problems.

 >> If you don't know about those problems, how do you know if outsourcing
 >> solves them?

 BW> I know some of the problems outsourcing purports to "solve."  
Why quotes?
 BW> Culture clash and cost are the primary ones.  I assume there are
 BW> others.

Cost -- may be.  Culture clash -- hardly.  

I still fail to understand why XP adoption would make outsourcing and
offshoring less viable alternative.  We've communicated in this regard at
the very first time you've raised this idea on XP list.  Still don't get
it, 'cause it seems that you come from presupposition that companies where
projects are outsourced/offshored _won't_ use agile techniques?

 BW> That requires the participation of business-side folks.  I am
 BW> passionate about removing any obstacles to their participation.
 BW> Particularly those obstacles that may impact their willingness to
 BW> participate.
 >> 
 >> Is there anyone specific you want to invite here?  How's (s)he?  What's
 >> his/her name?

 BW> Yes.  In fact, I have extended invitations to some Six Sigma folks to
 BW> help with the discussion we started a bit back on whether / to what
 BW> extent XP's estimating / planning practices would find support in Six
 BW> Sigma's practices.  The moderator of a Six Sigma list joined the XC
 BW> list several days ago.  He is not participating and has not responded
 BW> to my back-channel email asking if he is ready to.  I am concerned.

Concerned by what?

What kind of information, knowledge, experience _he_ expects to gain from
this list?

What's his name?

-- 
Andrey V Khavryuchenko            http://www.kds.com.ua/
Silver Bullet Software Solutions  http://www.kds.com.ua/edu/

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