Re: Sticking point

Glen,

"GBA" == Glen B Alleman wrote:

 GBA> I repeat a discussion I presented some time ago.

Perhaps I've missed it.  Is that a stopper?

 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: Andrey 
 >> 
 >> Up to this point, you have only hypotheses, right?..

 GBA> [>] The "scientific method" is not at work here. This is not a peer
 GBA> reviewed journal I'm working for. I am the Director of a function inside
 GBA> our commercial company. The value added in that role is to move forward
 GBA> in some manner - no matter how small - with the experience and judgments
 GBA> developed from the past.

Glen, but I'm not talking about 'scientific method'.  I'm talking about
distinctions that I find useful.  Don't you find them useful too?

 GBA>> Unlike a private small entrepreneurial firm we do have the luxury to
 GBA>> "experiment" on others peoples money, so another approach is needed
 GBA>> to deploy process improvement processes.
 >> 
 >> .. which you can verify through experiment.
 >> 
 >> So, have you done experiments to verify which XP practices work in your
 >> environment?

 GBA> [>] Experimenting in the process improvement domain is very interesting
 GBA> work; wish I could have that job. Funding those experiments is the
 GBA> challenge though. Making improvement - even small incremental ones -
 GBA> without experimental funding is called "contract mal-conformance."

 GBA> If it were my money funding this org, I could do lots of experiments,
 GBA> it's not my money.

Then perhaps you've missed "not" in your previous post (quoted should be:
we do _not_ have the luxury).  Right?

 GBA> Our sources for these decisions include local SPINS, XP Denver
 GBA> members, neighboring business that focus on software process
 GBA> improvement, conference proceedings, IEEE and ACM papers and
 GBA> articles, managers how have worked in XP environments, deployed XP
 GBA> into telecom environments etc. etc. etc.
 >> 
 >> Yes, these are sources for your hypotheses and experiment setup. What's
 >> _your_ data?
 >> 
 >> See, I'm former scientist and I have strong distinction between
 >> hypotheses, literature references and experiments done by myself.
 >> Often those three are very different.

 GBA> [>] Then you must also have a source of funds to conduct these
 GBA> experiments. I too have a science (physics) background, and we're in
 GBA> the engineering business not the science business. Engineers tend to
 GBA> look things up in books, apply what worked from the past and ask
 GBA> around fro good idea.

I know that good engineers also try and learn from an attempt.  This is the
same thing as the experiment.

[...]

 >> By insisting (sorry) on "won't" instead of "can't" I'm trying to put
 >> the power, the free will to where it belongs originally -- to
 >> yourself. When one discovers he really has the power, amazing things
 >> happen...

 GBA> [>] this approach is now tiring, if you feel better with confusing
 GBA> "not allowed to by contract or regulation" with "won't" fine. 

I don't confuse.  The piece of paper where contract is written doesn't
limit your physical abilities.  The rest is your decision.

 GBA> I don't make that confusion. Try it the other way and drop the Zen
 GBA> Master vocabulary and semantic details. We task by our customer to
 GBA> deliver within the compliance of a contract. We make every attempt to
 GBA> push back.

Glen, what makes you feel as if I use Zen Master vocabulary?

Won't you find useful to be in control of the world around you?

-- 
Andrey V Khavryuchenko            http://www.kds.com.ua/
Silver Bullet Software Solutions  http://www.kds.com.ua/edu/

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