Re: Summing up and moving on (I hope)

re:a reasoned, business-like manner.

The "reasoned" part is apparently easy to identify and
comply with. 
If you have noticed, the number of posts here that can
be labeled 
as unreasoned is very close to zero.

Business-like. . . I guess this will have to be your
definition. 
You may have given your definition, and I missed it.
If so, my fault. 
My feeling is that your definition is very different
from mine, 
and I will need some, I'm afraid, quite detailed
clarification 
of what "business-like" means to you in order to stay
within 
the rules here. Would you mind committing such
clarification, 
or if you have done so already, point me to the
relevant post?
Cheers,
-Dave



--- Bill Walton <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ron Jeffries wrote:
> 
> 
> > On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 11:35:23 AM,
> Bill Walton wrote:
> >
> > > Level of Passion, either positive or negative,
> is generally a
> contra-indicator for decision
> > > makers in the business environments I work in
> and am interested in
> discussing here.  The
> > > decisions these folks make impact the lives of
> hundreds, more often
> thousands of people;
> > > employees, customers, stakeholders of all sorts.
>  They do not trust
> emotion as a sound basis for
> > > decision making.  Passionate presentations are
> discounted as unreliable.
> Decisions made on the
> > > basis of passion are considered unreliable. 
> People who make decisions
> on that basis are
> > > considered unreliable.  The folks I hoped to
> engage when I created this
> list are unlikely to
> > > spend the time to participate in a discussion
> here if it appears that
> passion, rather than
> > > reason, is the basis for discussion.
> >
> > In my forty-plus years as a programmer, manager,
> executive, consultant and
> > custodian, I have not found the above to be true. 
> I have found that the
> best
> > people in every organization are driven as much by
> passion as by reason.
> They
> > use reason to choose actions about which they are
> passionate.
> 
> Passion drives us to develop the hypotheses, collect
> the evidence, etc. that
> we will apply in our decision making processes. 
> Passion does not drive the
> decision making.  At least, as I've said, not in the
> business environments
> I've worked in and am interested in discussing here.
> 
> [snip]
> 
> > > Passion has it's place.  It does not have a
> place in the discussions I
> hope to see conducted
> > > here.  I apologize in advance to those who are
> offended by my position
> on this topic.  I'll
> > > understand completely if you choose not to
> participate based on that
> constraint.
> >
> > You seem to be saying that we should discuss
> things here that we do not
> care
> > about. I'm almost sure that's not what you mean.
> So please clarify?
> 
> As I said above, I expect participants here to
> channel their passion
> productively.  For purposes of this discussion
> group, that means using it as
> a motivator to drive the development of hypotheses,
> the collection of
> evidence, etc. and the presentation of same in a
> reasoned, business-like
> manner.
> 
> Best regards,
> Bill
> 
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