Re: Summing up and moving on (I hope)

J. B. Rainsberger wrote:

> I fear that this list will degenerate into a bunch of
> business folks telling each other why XP is so bad,
> risky, ridiculous, whatever. I fear that they will
> create yet another barrier between themselves and
> the programmers, because as a programmer, I do
> not feel welcome to bring my experience to this list.

Charlie Poole wrote:

> If you'll read JB's words carefully, you'll see that he
> does _not_ say that he fears your intention. Rather
> he fears that something will happen. It could happen
> without your intending.
>
> With that clarification, and given that you're the list
> moderator, what can you say to this concern?

Kent Beck wrote:

> XP is intended as an invitation to build social networks
> between people with desires and people with possibilities.
> Because it is extended from the possibilities side, folks
> on the desire side have trouble seeing the invitation as it
> was intended. That's what this list is about.

Hi J. B, Charlie, Kent, all;

I think these three quotes pretty much sum up my dilemna.

J. B. expressed a set of fears that I have a feeling are shared by many here
from the programming side.  Those fears are based, I presume, on years of
real experience.  I have a mirror set of fears, also based on years of
experience.  My current fear, re: the discussion on this list, is that those
mirroring fears will preclude us from effectively addressing the issue Kent
so eloquently framed.

Charlie's implied question, please correct me if I misstate this Charlie, is
"what actions, as the list's owner, should I / could I take to provide
assurance that J. B.'s expressed fears (and mine as well) don't become a
reality?"  That is an excellent question, and I don't as yet have an answer
that I'm satisfied with.

>From what I understand, Kent introduced XP to deal with a situation a great
deal like this, and it worked.  He didn't seperate the two groups, he
brought them closer together and introduced a set of simple rules that
allowed them to interact in a much more productive manner.  I welcome your
thoughts on the analogy to this list.

Best regards,
Bill


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