RE: Summing up and moving on (I hope)

Charlie,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Poole 
> 
> Glen,
> 
> Let me take a shot at this.
> 
> > Here's one we just finished over lunch. "Without programming" will
be
> > operationally defined as talking about our work process and using
the
> > phrase "Programming occurs here" (which does use the word of course,
so
> > pre-excuse please).
> 
> I'm thinking that what you mean is you don't talk about how
programming
> is done. Is that right? Is this any different from other activities?

[>] Yes

> For example, do you talk about how stories are written? About the
> proper way to engage a customer during a planning session? About
> the nature of design? About the granularity of tests? I'm guessing
> that you don't.

[>] How stories are written? No. That stories or some of functionality
partitioning is needed? Yes. Granularity of testing? Certainly, but not
at the "doing" level only at the level "that we need to have this done."

> So - if I've got it right - you're not particularly singling out
> coding as something not to talk about. And your lack of talk is
> not a lack of interest in the results, but is based on a belief
> that these things will be taken care of at another level.

[>] Well we are singling it out because the peer group at lunch is two
levels above the managers of coding. So we try to avoid delving into
coding discussions, since it's not the topic of the lunch time meeting.

> Assuming I'm on track so far, what happens if these things are
> not taken care of where they should be?

[>] They're taken care of two levels down. We review the progress of
those managers and staff weekly and their work is visible daily in the
EVMS systems and Time and Labor, but we rarely discuss the actual
details of writing code in "our" group

> Charlie 
[>]Glen B. Alleman


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