RE: Re: Sticking point

Glen,

No problem with your proposal at all.  I think highly
agile/iterative/evolutionary approaches have the benefit of allowing to get
feedback early about "perceived value".  This is not the same as "produced
value" but it is certainly better than "imaginary value".  But feedback
should not only be in terms of development test results or user acceptance
although this feedback is probably the easiest to obtain.

When I look at my own work I have noticed that I do usually something like
70% of the work in the first half of the day.  The value of what I do
declines when I work longer and also the production declines so I guess
there is a cumulative effect in terms of both quantity and quality.

I also notice that doing some sports in my lunchbreak seems to have a very
positive effect on my ability to concentrate and seems to offset that
negative trend and that having a "big lunch" even makes it worse.

Apart from all the good techniques to make the activities more agile, is
there any aspect of personal well-being that we should involve in the
discussions we have here?

Any experience with this.  Perhaps this is a change of thread, but I am
interested.

If the question is "How do we increase the value?" then perhaps we can look
at non-technical issues as well.

Regards, Stefan Steurs.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alleman, Glen B. [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:28 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> 
> 
> Stefan,
> 
> If "work" is tied to "value production," then maybe we can separate he
> concept of working harder produces more value. The "trick" is 
> to define
> the value upfront, then executing the planned effort against the value
> delivery can be used to measure the amount of value returned for the
> hours invested.
> 
> Otherwise work becomes a Level of Effort process, so the longer I work
> the more "value" appears to be produced - which is not the 
> case in most
> software orgs.
> 
> Glen B. Alleman 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: STEURS Stefan [mailto:[email protected]]
> > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2002 5:51 AM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: RE: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> > 
> > Now that is an excellent answer.
> > 
> > I violently appose to managers measuring "hours worked" if 
> they don't
> have
> > any means to measure what has been produced (quality above 
> quantity if
> > possible).
> > 
> > I rather have someone that doesn't work as hard but delivers better
> > quality
> > results.
> > 
> > Regards, Stefan Steurs.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andrey Khavryuchenko [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2002 12:58 AM
> > > To: [email protected]
> > > Subject: [XC] Re: Sticking point
> > >
> > >
> > > Dale,
> > >
> > > "DE" == Dale Emery wrote:
> > >
> > >  >> So "working harder" is measured by hours?
> > >
> > >  DE> It's certainly one important factor.  What others do you
> > > see?  If two
> > >  DE> people were working the same hours, what would lead you
> > > to claim that
> > >  DE> one is working harder than the other?
> > >
> > > The results.
> > >
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