Re: Re: Sticking point

Charlie Poole wrote:

[snip]

> The purpose of this list, if I understand it, is to step
> outside that little bubble and deal with things as they
> are.

...as they are outside that little bubble.  From inside the bubble there are
technical and business issues.  From outside the bubble, to a manager of
managers, there are technical and business issues too.  Everything inside
the bubble is technical.  The stuff outside the bubble is business.  Bubbles
within bubbles.  Patterns.

> No model captures things as they are, but one that
> makes deliberate simplifications may not - I say may -
> be suitable for a wider discussion.

We'll give it a try and see how it works.  Try the simplest thing that could
possibly work, right? :-)

[snip]

> > > The word "smell" was intended to
> > > have an xp meaning - a metaphor for bad design. I probably
> > > should have avoided that usage here.
> >
> > I'd appreciate it.  Not being an XP practitioner, I'm not immunized to
the
> > use of these terms and find they make effective communication more
> > difficult.
>
> I'm happy to try, but I'm wondering about something. My work has
> taken me into quite a number of different business domains. In each
> one I've had to learn to use words as the folks in the domain use
> them. Sometimes the usage was quite unnatural, but it was just what
> I had to do. Since you've been around a lot, I imagine that you've
> probably had some of the same experience.

Yes.

> I wonder if there is something more operating here. Why is it
> hard - or undesirable - for some folks on this list to hear
> the meanings behind some of the XP slang? Everyone seems to
> be pretty smart and uses words well and I expect there are
> many people with more diverse exposure to differing ways of
> speaking than me. So why is this an obstacle particularly?
>
> Bill, if you don't mind, I'll ask you to answer in the first
> person: why is this a hard switch for you. Others, if you
> find it hard, can you try to tell me why?

I find it hard because I'm working as a surrogate for others who don't use
those terms.  As a manager of managers, I didn't use those terms.  As a
consultant to managers of managers, I don't use those terms.  The use of
those terms causes a switching problem for me.  I have to switch out of the
listening mode, into a translating mode, and and then back into the
listening mode.  Not impossible, but problematic.  Later I'll have a bigger
potential problem, the more I get used to the slang, if I don't remember to
do the translation as I talk about XP.  I'd much prefer not to get used to
using it.

[snip]

Best regards,
Bill


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