RE: Do C-Level managers, and business drivers really need to know about XP?

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  -----Original Message-----
  From: Bill Walton [mailto:[email protected]]
  Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 2:02 PM
  To: [email protected]
  Subject: Fw: [xpAdoption] Do C-Level managers, and business drivers really
need to know about XP?


  Just got back to my computer for the first time since Monday PM and found
  that this had bounced again.  Thought I'd try it one last time.

  Bill
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Bill Walton" <[email protected]>
  To: "Ron Jeffries" <[email protected]>
  Cc: "file" <[email protected]>
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:55 PM
  Subject: Fw: [xpAdoption] Do C-Level managers, and business drivers really
  need to know about XP?


  > For whatever reason, despite two attempts, this post hasn't made it
  through
  > to the list.  Didn't want you to think I was ignoring your direct
request
  > for a response.
  >
  > Best regards,
  > Bill
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Bill Walton" <[email protected]>
  > To: <[email protected]>
  > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 4:14 PM
  > Subject: Re: [xpAdoption] Do C-Level managers, and business drivers
really
  > need to know about XP?
  >
  >
  > > I'm resending this since it hasn't shown up on the list yet.  My
  apologies
  > > in advance ff this causes a duplicate posting.
  > > Bill
  > >
  > > ----- Original Message -----
  > > From: "Bill Walton" <[email protected]>
  > > To: <[email protected]>
  > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 10:09 AM
  > > Subject: Re: [xpAdoption] Do C-Level managers, and business drivers
  really
  > > need to know about XP?
  > >
  > >
  > >  Hello Ron,
  > >
  > >  Since you've specifically asked, I'm happy to participate.  Brief
  > comments
  > >  below.
  > >
  > >  Ron Jeffries wrote:
  > >
  > >  Scott Worley wrote:
  > > >
  > > > > Hi all, a slightly diffrent tack of approach on the issue of XP
  > > > > Adoption.
  > > >
  > > > Welcome. We like new angles.
  > > >
  > > > > Do the high level managers in a company need to know about Agile
  this
  > > > > or XP that?
  > > >
  > > > > In my opinion (I am a C-Level Manager) NO, what they/we want is
  > > > > results if its due to a new process that the dev team or indeed
any
  > > > > other team is using, thier team lead/PM should know about it, but
  > > > > above that it is not necessary.  A PM can request resource from
  > > > > higher management and in most cases the justification is of the
  > > > > standard Time/Cost/Resource type. A PM should act as a consultant
to
  > > > > the teams they ENABLE and the management they provide a service
for.
  > > >
  > > > I'm inclined to agree with you. I think that if XP and Agile deliver
  > what
  > > > we think they do, the C-level (I am coming to hate that term) people
  > will
  > > > need to understand the impact, because their planning cycles may be
  able
  > > to
  > > > change. They may be able to demand more concrete information from
  their
  > > > projects.
  > > >
  > > > The only reason I can see for knowing much more about it is if they
  > wished
  > > > to promulgate the ideas further in the organization. Since most of
the
  > > > top-down installations of XP I've seen have been near-disasters, I'd
  > like
  > > > to see it coming from the bottom up instead.
  > > >
  > > > I have the impression that Bill Walton, who lurks here but rarely
  > speaks,
  > > > thinks that the C-level folks need to know more, or different
things.
  > > >Bill?
  > > > What's your view on this?
  > >
  > > I'll preface my brief remarks with a qualifier.  I'm talking about the
  > > adoption of XP / Agile practices by very large US corporations.  Size
  does
  > > matter.  A number of organizational dynamics are introduced by size
  alone.
  > > Also, I'm talking about organization-level adoption, not the "trial
  > > projects" that inevitably preceed it but to not necessarily lead to
it.
  > >
  > > Several months ago, as I began my serious investigation into XP, I met
  > with
  > > a former co-manager at Sabre.  Her VP is adopting XP across his
  > > organization; 300+ developers.  Virtually the first words out of her
  mouth
  > > were these:  "XP is not just another development methodology.  XP is a
  > > culture change."
  > >
  > > Culture change in large organizations is typically a slow, painful
  process
  > > that requires support from the highest levels.  The changes required
for
  /
  > > enabled by the adoption of XP involve much more than planning cycles.
  > It's
  > > a mistake, IMO, to underestimate the level of support, and therefore
the
  > > level of understanding, the successful adoption of XP at an
organization
  > > level in large US corporations will require from the C-level folks.
  > >
  > > [snip]
  > >
  > > Best regards,
  > > Bill
  > >
  > >
  >


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