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Il 11/10/2016 20:47, Keith Ray [email protected] [extremeprogramming]
ha scritto:
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It is wonderful Keith, I agree in this thread we need it. Thanks.
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> C. Keith Ray
> * http://www.thirdfoundationsw.com/keith_ray_resume_2014_long.pdf
> * http://agilesolutionspace.blogspot.com/
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> On Oct 11, 2016, at 11:32 AM, Charlie Poole [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> [extremeprogramming]
> <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> Hmmm.... somehow it's hard to wrap my head around the fact that
>> somebody thinks it matters whether the author of this article is or
>> isn't a scrumalliance trainer. Seems like there are more salient
>> things one could discuss.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 10:51 PM, Robin Dymond [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]> [extremeprogramming]
>> <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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>> Hello Massimo,
>>
>> The article linked is not from a scrum alliance trainer. Anyone
>> can submit an article to the scrum alliance for posting. No idea
>> how this one got past the reviewers, probably because the staff
>> are mostly event planners and support staff, not trainers and
>> coaches, we are all free range. I don't know if it will be
>> removed, however I think it does not belong on that site.
>>
>> If you want to read what trainers and coaches are saying read the
>> comments, which are highly critical and go on far longer than the
>> article, look for CST or CEC in their handle.
>>
>> Also would like to point out that there are CSTs like myself who
>> have been on this list (and many others) for a decade. Thanks to
>> the efforts of numerous people here the Scrum Alliance offers
>> technical training in TDD, CI, pairing, refactoring, etc,
>> sometimes taught by people on this list. It is also by far the
>> hardest training to sell, as developers would rather learn a new
>> tool (ie swift, aws, oracle) then learn to test drive their code.
>>
>> My opinion is the article is a POS, and certainly does not
>> represent the opinion of any agilists who I know and respect.
>>
>> Any change effort suffers from relabelling, where people attach
>> the new labels to old roles and behaviors. We see this often in
>> Agile adoption. Learning new behaviors is hard and takes time. It
>> often also requires structural changes to the organization. Most
>> of the hard changes needed, like eliminating silos (ie separate
>> testing dept) have little to do with XP. They are organizational
>> design problems that stem from legacy structures and mindset,
>> like those on display in this article.
>>
>> Robin Dymond, CST
>> Managing Partner, Innovel
>> www.innovel.net <http://www.innovel.net>
>> www.scrumtraining.com <http://www.scrumtraining.com>
>> Direct: (804) 239-4329 <tel:%28804%29%20239-4329>
>> twitter: @robindymond
>> Linkedin:https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/robindymond>
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2016 8:01 AM, "Massimo Manca
>> [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>[extremeprogramming]"
>> <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
>> There are other funny folks promoting Prince2 and Prince2-Agile
>> as agile
>> project management processes.
>> I used Prince2 in the past because in UK and West Europe is a common
>> requirement in public tenders but I didn't see any agility in it.
>> They
>> just write down how to organize and manage a project with the
>> lesson of
>> the "old school" and maintaining a hierarchical structure.
>> Instead I know Prince2-Agile only because when was published I
>> received
>> the booklet. Seems to me an old "command and control" PM over
>> SCRUM so
>> is a heavier SCRUM defining much more roles and using stages and
>> milestones to control the project status.
>> I am interested also to hear comments on them.
>>
>> Il 10/10/2016 03:01, Charlie Poole [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> [extremeprogramming] ha scritto:
>> >
>> > I particularly enjoyed this...
>> >
>> > > The Agile Scorecard is a reflection of disciplined "Agile values"
>> >
>> > The author was quite right to put "Agile values" in quotation marks,
>> > apparently wanting us to understand that this is a parody, or so one
>> > can only hope. :-)
>> >
>> > Charlie
>> >
>> > On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Massimo Manca
>> > [email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>
>> > [extremeprogramming] <[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>
>> > <mailto:[email protected]
>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
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>> > Hi guys,
>> >
>> > I think you have LinkedIn profiles as me, so may be you already read
>> > these things but in the last couple of days happened that several
>> > trainers published articles about agile processes introducing
>> measures
>> > and artifacts having nothing to do with agile.
>> >
>> > This is the link to the worst one published by scrumalliance.org
>> <http://scrumalliance.org>
>> > <http://scrumalliance.org> (but I
>> > know it because I found a post on LinkedIn).
>> >
>> > https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles>
>> > <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles <https://www.scrumalliance.org/community/articles/2016/october/the-agile-scorecard?feed=articles>>
>> >
>> > There is also this post about a way to manage projects in a way
>> > that is
>> > a mix of agile and old fashion project management:
>> >
>> > https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT>
>> > <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT <https://www.linkedin.com/nhome/updates?activity=6190710412472827904&goback=&trk=hb_ntf_REPLIED_TO_YOUR_COMMENT>>
>> >
>> > I think we could discuss a little bit about these facts and
>> trying to
>> > understand why happened.
>> > Do you agree?
>> >
>> > Massimo
>> >
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