Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?

My name isn't Alex but I have an opinion I want to share anyway :)

A good standup has the following features:
1. More people know what's happening after the standup than before the
standup.
2. Somebody got an offer of help from a person they didn't think to ask for
help from.
3. Nobody is thinking about things unrelated to the standup during the
standup.

A harmful standup has the following features:
1. People feel ashamed /defensive that they didn't get enough work done,
despite their best efforts.
2. People aren't paying attention to the meeting.
3. People are not raising issues out of fear of making the meeting drag on.
4. People are not honest during the meeting.


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On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 10:46 AM Douglas Waugh <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Alex,
>
> I’d be interested in your opinion of what makes a very good stand up and
> what makes a harmful one.
>
> Would you be able to give us a few pointers?  What is the main value you
> see the stand up providing?
>
> Douglas
>
>
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> *From:* [email protected] on behalf of Alex Fürstenau <
> [email protected]>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:50 am
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?
>
> I still believe they are valuable for „teams“ who don’t talk to each other
> for weeks, and as always I have seen some very good implementations over
> the years.
>
> Of cause there are also a lot of harmful implementations but I think the
> value of the good ones outweigh the value of the bad ones.
>
>
> Am 13.11.2019 um 23:53 schrieb John Carter via Groups.Io <
> [email protected]>:
>
> It's one of those things that  seem to have gone horribly horribly wrong
> out in the wild.....
>
> Way back when, when I still believed standups  to be a Good Idea, people
> came together, and didn't bother to sit because it was going to be so short.
>
> They said, mostly by pointing at/moving the sticky on the board what they
> were working on, and if they were stuck, asked for help. (Which wasn't
> given in the standup)
>
> Done.
>
> Back to work.
>
> 2 minutes max, all done.
>
> Sigh!
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:53 AM George Paci <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> Glad to see this group getting saved from oblivion: thanks, Joe!
>>
>> An interesting question came up at work today: where did the term
>> "standup" originate?
>>
>> I've found a reference from Jeff Sutherland explaining the origins of
>> the meeting (and the practice of standing up), but he doesn't explicitly
>> claim to have invented the name:
>>
>> https://www.scruminc.com/origins-daily-standup/
>>
>> I see it mentioned on Don Wells's XP site with a 1999 copyright, but I'm
>> not sure that's an accurate date:
>>
>> http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/standupmeeting.html
>>
>> (and he keeps them as two words: "Stand Up").
>>
>> I figure Laurent would know this off the top of his head.... :-)
>>
>> —George Paci
>>
>>    Doing Agile since (a month) before it was called Agile
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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