Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?

“The whole team meets every day for a quick status update. We stand up to keep the meeting short.” 
Ew.Yuck. Count me out, please.



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On Monday, November 18, 2019, 9:49 AM, Michal Svoboda <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, thanks for a good topic for discussion.

From my experience it's not about good/harmful standup but the team culture.

For me personally standup looks well when it serves as a sort of "huddle":
* Walk the board
* Agree on what the team does for the next day
* Evaluate on the next day

When it runs more like individuals reporting what they did then it
smells of bad culture.

I like the way James Shore puts it,
"Stand-ups are one of the least important aspects of agile development.
In a way, they're an admission of failure."
https://www.jamesshore.com/Blog/Cargo-Cult-Agile.html

A good list of different things to try is this from Martin Fowler.
https://martinfowler.com/articles/itsNotJustStandingUp.html

Have a great day,
Michal


Alex Fürstenau wrote:
>    Good ones
> 
>    - provide the right amount of information for the participants,
>    although you have to be careful with that. If the superior and/or the
>    project manager is participating, their needs might be very specific
>    and the stand up is probably not the right meeting for them. But if
>    they attend just for reporting it’s an indicator for harmful ones
> 
>    - change over time with experiments (actually that’s true for every
>    meeting)
>    Harmful ones
>    - A group of people (no common goal), not a team is doing the standup,
>    so nobody pays attention to each other
>    - Repeating stuff (I had one person repeating the same „task“ for about
>    2 months once)
>    Actually the only harmful ones are those which are clearly showing
>    there is something wrong (people don’t pay attention, people keep
>    repeating stuff, …) AND it stays like this for weeks or months. So
>    nobody takes ownership for the underlying problems.
>    They stop being harmful when somebody gets so annoyed ,so  that this
>    person is taking action to resolve the problems. :-)
>    Alex
> 
>    Am 18.11.2019 um 09:43 schrieb Douglas Waugh
>    <[1][email protected]>:
> 
>    Alex,
>    I’d be interested in your opinion of what makes a very good stand up
>    and what makes a harmful one.
>    Would you be able to give us a few pointers?  What is the main value
>    you see the stand up providing?
>    Douglas
>      __________________________________________________________________
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>    Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2019 11:50 am
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>    Subject: Re: [extremeprogramming] Origin of term "standup"?
> 
>    I still believe they are valuable for „teams“ who don’t talk to each
>    other for weeks, and as always I have seen some very good
>    implementations over the years.
>    Of cause there are also a lot of harmful implementations but I think
>    the value of the good ones outweigh the value of the bad ones.
> 
>    Am 13.11.2019 um 23:53 schrieb John Carter via Groups.Io
>    <[5][email protected]>:
> 
>    It's one of those things that  seem to have gone horribly horribly
>    wrong out in the wild.....
>    Way back when, when I still believed standups  to be a Good Idea,
>    people came together, and didn't bother to sit because it was going to
>    be so short.
>    They said, mostly by pointing at/moving the sticky on the board what
>    they were working on, and if they were stuck, asked for help. (Which
>    wasn't given in the standup)
>    Done.
>    Back to work.
>    2 minutes max, all done.
>    Sigh!
>    On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 6:53 AM George Paci <[6][email protected]> wrote:
> 
>      All,
>      Glad to see this group getting saved from oblivion: thanks, Joe!
>      An interesting question came up at work today: where did the term
>      "standup" originate?
>      I've found a reference from Jeff Sutherland explaining the origins
>      of
>      the meeting (and the practice of standing up), but he doesn't
>      explicitly
>      claim to have invented the name:
>      [7]https://www.scruminc.com/origins-daily-standup/
>      I see it mentioned on Don Wells's XP site with a 1999 copyright, but
>      I'm
>      not sure that's an accurate date:
>      [8]http://www.extremeprogramming.org/rules/standupmeeting.html
>      (and he keeps them as two words: "Stand Up").
>      I figure Laurent would know this off the top of his head.... :-)
>      —George Paci
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