Re: [extremeprogramming] Good source for XP success stories?

Ive had it work in many places, and some won’t let me talk about them. :-(. I really wish that our clients weren’t afraid to admit that they had to learn this stuff from someone.
But I think that maybe it’s better the way Dave says. Look at who they are, how they work, what that means to them, what it means to you. What are the problems they’re having? Why? 
Understanding the practices individually and the way they support each other is probably the best way forward. And maybe the published articles on XP and XP tech practices. 
Even scrum inventors/promoters say that Scrum only reaches “hyper productivity” (so-called) when they include XP technical practices. 
Personally I think it’s interesting but unhelpful: XP works.Scrum works with XP.Scrum doesn’t work as well without XP. Maybe it’s not scrum that works, but XP all along.
But overall, I’m not trying to get people to convert to XP as an approach.


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On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 12:18 AM, Dave Nicolette <[email protected]> wrote:

I don't know if this approach will work for you, but in general I
don't approach clients with a solution in my pocket and then try to
sell them on it. Instead, I ask them what their issues are, and I try
to couch that in terms of how they think they need to operate vs. how
they operate today, so we can identify gaps. Then we start to work
through practical changes that might move the organization closer to
their desired operating state. Often, that results in XP and other
named "things" falling out naturally as experiments to try. The
buzzwords turn people off. The substance doesn't.

I've found that when someone demands a "study" or "proof" or
"evidence" that a suggested change will be effective, they never
looked for such evidence when they decided to work in the way they
currently do. They just sort of fell into their current way of working
over the course of years with no larger goal than just trying to
survive work one day at a time. When they demand "studies" and so
forth, they're really saying, "Leave me alone, I'm busy." So, my
advice is *never* start with a named "thing" and try to sell it.

I hope there's something in there that helps.

Dave

On 11/24/19, Franz Amador <[email protected]> wrote:
> I know XP has worked wonders at many places, yet if someone challenges me on
> that assertion, I do not have a good source to refer them to. If I'm being
> brutally honest, I'd have to say, "It worked for me once, and people I trust
> say they've seen it work wonders lots of times." Can anyone help me out?
>
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