Re: [extremeprogramming] Good source for XP success stories?

I believe XP works much better if the rest of the organization believes the
teams are doing Scrum.  Each team should own its engineering process, not
the organization.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:30 AM Tim Ottinger via Groups.Io <linux_tim=
[email protected]> wrote:

> Personally I think it’s interesting but unhelpful:
> XP works.
> Scrum works with XP.
> Scrum doesn’t work as well without XP.
> Maybe it’s not scrum that works, but XP all along.
>
> But overall, I’m not trying to get people to convert to XP as an approach.
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> On Sunday, November 24, 2019, 12:18 AM, Dave Nicolette <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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> I don't know if this approach will work for you, but in general I
> don't approach clients with a solution in my pocket and then try to
> sell them on it. Instead, I ask them what their issues are, and I try
> to couch that in terms of how they think they need to operate vs. how
> they operate today, so we can identify gaps. Then we start to work
> through practical changes that might move the organization closer to
> their desired operating state. Often, that results in XP and other
> named "things" falling out naturally as experiments to try. The
> buzzwords turn people off. The substance doesn't.
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> I've found that when someone demands a "study" or "proof" or
> "evidence" that a suggested change will be effective, they never
> looked for such evidence when they decided to work in the way they
> currently do. They just sort of fell into their current way of working
> over the course of years with no larger goal than just trying to
> survive work one day at a time. When they demand "studies" and so
> forth, they're really saying, "Leave me alone, I'm busy." So, my
> advice is *never* start with a named "thing" and try to sell it.
>
> I hope there's something in there that helps.
>
> Dave
>
> On 11/24/19, Franz Amador <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I know XP has worked wonders at many places, yet if someone challenges
> me on
> > that assertion, I do not have a good source to refer them to. If I'm
> being
> > brutally honest, I'd have to say, "It worked for me once, and people I
> trust
> > say they've seen it work wonders lots of times." Can anyone help me out?
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